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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying bist has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need alliance help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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well well well good evening

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bespoke radio

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today is wednesday

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august 11 2021 224 days into the new

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location

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yeah man how you doing how are you doing

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the planets

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our murals jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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big night tonight on the show a lot lots

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of things going on

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but uh the big news kids

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dr robert m shock

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robert shock is with this old old friend

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of the show and such a great guy

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and uh he's coming by tonight and now

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his new book is out it is the revised

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and expanded edition of forgotten

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lots of uh updated uh pictures color

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it's uh it's a great book

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and uh so we're gonna be discussing that

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uh very excited always great uh we've

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um i called him a little bit ago and uh

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picks up hi jimmy i said hey

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as he started to answer but i watched

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for us so tonight robert shock is here

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open lines all night long we're gonna do

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um going on right now

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right now as i speak to you we are

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broadcasting from the paul hellyer

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campus doing a test run tonight to make

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screenshot saying loud and clear

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it's probably mark sims and and captain

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ron and maybe a few others but hello to

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everybody over there and i hope that it

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looks great and everything is perfect so

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signed up and if you've already signed

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up and and many of you fade or not

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you can go over tomorrow night

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venture your way into the auditorium and

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we're going to do fader night uh

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tomorrow night live from there so get

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night and uh we will be doing another

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everything apparently is working hey ron

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uh hit me in text and say it's still

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got all that going okay so that's what's

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going on we have making contact that

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conference over at makingcontact.com

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promo code is jimmysave100 it's a

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five-day event

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okay so it's august 18th 19th 20th 21st

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confirm everything uh with all of you

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okay so uh that's what's going on

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makingcontact.com right after that in

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with uh the conscious life expo we will

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be broadcasting our host this is in

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be hosting from los angeles but we are

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doing london at the same time so over at

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the hilton hotel in london

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is the conscious life expo going on over

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hand things over to london where they

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continue to carry the torch

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la which i i get that

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uh everything is going to be streaming

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and you can do that as well and if

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you're over in london listening to me

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right now get your stream on and you can

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watch us over in the united states here

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in los angeles california all of that is

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consciouslifeexpo.com for your tickets

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and info and the promo code for that is

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simply jimmy and you can get your

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discounts and get your tickets okay so

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we've got a busy year uh uh year end

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coming up because after that in november

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is star works and you can go to

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starworksusa.com for your tickets and

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info for that that is at the aquarius

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hotel and casino in laughlin nevada okay

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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the sandbox of course is hashtag f2b

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you can go hang out over there in

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just jumped over to youtube all right

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welcome everybody let's get straight to

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the breaking news i got a crazy breaking

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news day today

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and i'm going to start with russia

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there are two types of fires raging

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and the others that they are just

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allowing to burn that's because siberia

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is so vast that huge fires together are

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the fires in greece turkey italy the

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fires that have forced widespread

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evacuations and is sending smoke

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it's absolutely incredible what they're

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dealing with over there now there is a

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is streaking against the grain here in

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our milky way

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that's right it's going backwards

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and out and exiting

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that's right the star moves so quickly

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headed out of our galaxy for good

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it's not coming back

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which astronomers have uh taken as

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evidence that the metallic explorer now

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like our sun helium hydrogen core this

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is a metallic star

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tracking it now but it will soon be gone

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now announced today accenture

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has been hit by the lock bit ransomware

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gang according to cyber criminal groups

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published by the group

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on the dark web

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today

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unless the company pays up a ransom and

290
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all of this according to

291
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lock bit the criminal enterprise now

292
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accenture

293
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immediately contained the matter and

294
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isolated the affected servers and fully

295
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restored effective systems from their

296
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backups there was no impact on

297
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accenture's operations or their clients

298
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systems

299
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lock bit is kind of bummed

300
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now also i'm going to talk more about

301
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this in just a minute because hackers

302
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have stolen

303
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600 million dollars in cryptocurrency

304
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from the decentralized finance platform

305
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poly network

306
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again i'll say it

307
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600

308
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million dollars

309
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now following the hack poly network

310
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established several addresses to which

311
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it said the attacker could return the

312
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money they wanted the money back they

313
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were saying hey you're stealing from

314
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people like you

315
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these are people that are promoting

316
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cryptocurrency and and helping the world

317
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now it appears that the hacker is now

318
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cooperating as of 7 47 a.m this morning

319
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:08,079
eastern standard time

320
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poly network said that it had received

321
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about 4.7 million dollars back

322
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now it was not immediately clear who was

323
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,240
behind the hack but by noon today much

324
00:17:23,549 --> 00:17:22,000
more money much

325
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:23,559
more money about

326
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,400
261 million dollars

327
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had been returned

328
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once the hack had gained the world's

329
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attention today there was virtually no

330
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:35,600
way for the hacker to safely withdraw

331
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the funds because every transaction

332
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is recorded and traceable the funds are

333
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sitting frozen in a blacklisted private

334
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wallet

335
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absolutely incredible let's get this

336
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,960
show cracking happy birthday to today

337
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:54,640
all right ladies

338
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chris hemsworth

339
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yeah he's thor

340
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joe rogan

341
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:05,440
today

342
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:08,720
is 54. steve wozniak the man who changed

343
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,559
the world today is 71. eric carmen one

344
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of my favorite singers of all time today

345
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:17,520
is 72 the raspberries right go all the

346
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way and i watched every video version of

347
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:22,640
that song today that i could find and

348
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:25,200
also of course solo

349
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the huge hit all by myself joe jackson

350
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:33,440
joe jackson today is 67 is she really

351
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,080
going out with him i love that song

352
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,000
stepping out huh

353
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:41,039
today joe jackson is 67 and also this is

354
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for mark from dallas

355
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,400
charlie sexton today is 53

356
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and of course you need to go check out

357
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,720
his band those phenomenal archangels our

358
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dead guy's birthday today is

359
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:56,280
stan kessler stan kessler

360
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1928-2020 died at the age of 92.

361
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,280
stan was a record producer and a

362
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songwriter whose career began at sun

363
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studios in memphis he co-wrote several

364
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:09,200
of elvis presley's early recordings and

365
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play guitar and based on hit records by

366
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:14,640
carl perkins and jerry lee lewis

367
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as a producer his successful records

368
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:19,280
included are you ready

369
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,120
wooly bully by sam sham and the pharaohs

370
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:24,960
he retired from the music industry in

371
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,679
the early 1990s and lived in bartlett

372
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,440
tennessee i

373
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lived in bartlett tennessee he died on

374
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:35,760
october 26 2020 from bone cancer

375
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,360
stan was 92 years old on this day in

376
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:40,799
history

377
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,080
in 1984 it went down

378
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,559
when president reagan jokes about

379
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,320
bombing russia

380
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,240
on a hot mic

381
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,200
that's right he did

382
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:55,120
saying and i quote

383
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,160
my fellow americans i am pleased to tell

384
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:00,720
you today that i've signed legislation

385
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:03,840
that will outlaw russia forever

386
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,520
we begin bombing in five minutes end

387
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:09,760
quote

388
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:12,960
you gotta love ronald it's amazing all

389
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,789
eight percent of americans believe

390
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,640
if needed

391
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,280
they could take down an elephant

392
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:30,559
in an unarmed fight

393
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,480
this was published in a yougov poll

394
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:35,840
this year

395
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:39,760
in may of 2021

396
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,720
the same eight percent also think

397
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,440
they could take out a gorilla

398
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,320
they could take out a grizzly bear and

399
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,520
they could take out a lion

400
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:53,039
crazy americans

401
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,000
tonight

402
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,559
very special guest robert m shock is

403
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:57,760
here we're going to be talking about his

404
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:01,679
new book it has just released the

405
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,120
updated revised edition of forgotten

406
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,720
civilization tomorrow night is fader

407
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,440
night with open lines all night long and

408
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,039
we're going to be broadcasting from the

409
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,760
making contact

410
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:16,640
yeah okay we're still good

411
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,840
the making contact campus at the paul

412
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,880
hellyer

413
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,720
auditorium all right that's going down

414
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,159
tomorrow night oh we're going to be

415
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,320
doing it from here i'm saying if you've

416
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,679
signed up for the making contact

417
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:29,440
conference and you've got your avatar

418
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,799
and if you haven't signed up yet you

419
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,960
need to go and get signed up the promo

420
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:34,480
code is jimmy

421
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:37,600
save 100 all uppercase all right save

422
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,640
100 bucks right go get register get your

423
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,120
avatar ready and come and check out

424
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,280
fader night from the paul hellyer

425
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:48,400
auditorium all right

426
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:56,830
it's hot

427
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,710
right you know what i'm talking about

428
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,559
that's that's that's that's the way i do

429
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,960
my coffee you really could pick eric

430
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,120
stitt thank you for that my friend

431
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:13,520
all right

432
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:16,480
sometimes

433
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,120
we have to

434
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,520
and i'm the guy to do it

435
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,600
so today

436
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,400
i'm gonna circle back and talk to you

437
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,440
about

438
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,679
entropy

439
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,919
not the physics version

440
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,159
although it's complex and can be filled

441
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,640
with a lot of gobbly [\h__\h] and math now

442
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,320
i'm not going to talk about that you

443
00:22:46,590 --> 00:22:44,240
know that that version with the second

444
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,600
law of thermodynamics disorder and the

445
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:49,760
unavailability of energy

446
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,640
you know that's that's still entropy

447
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,640
no i'm going to talk to you about the

448
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,080
entropy

449
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,480
in our world

450
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,120
your world

451
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,360
and any physicist will tell you that

452
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:04,720
actually

453
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,000
they are one in the same

454
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:12,080
what is entropy in your world

455
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:18,470
picture this

456
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,840
a child's

457
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,559
bedroom

458
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,360
nice and neat the day you move into the

459
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,880
house

460
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:28,880
but eventually

461
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:34,830
you clean it

462
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,799
up and back to a disaster area

463
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,000
that's

464
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:41,760
entropy

465
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,039
everything starts out simple

466
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,799
and it ends

467
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,360
very badly

468
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,760
that's entropy put that in your mind

469
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,360
doesn't matter what it is you start a

470
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,120
new job

471
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:56,559
everything is cool

472
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,000
your first day everything is simple

473
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,480
you know and eventually it gets all

474
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,880
messed up

475
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,600
two years later you get fired or you

476
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:10,240
quit it just spins out of control that's

477
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,190
now

478
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,640
i gave you

479
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,960
a couple of doses of entropy in the

480
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,360
breaking news segment earlier one of

481
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,520
them is cryptocurrency

482
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,279
cryptocurrency the whole thing started

483
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,880
out so simple right bitcoin

484
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,880
cruised along for years nobody even

485
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:33,279
noticed right

486
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:38,710
today

487
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,720
the crypto world is very complicated yes

488
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,480
you've heard about all those mining

489
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,799
mining centers

490
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,960
servers stacked to the ceiling

491
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:50,799
overheating

492
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:51,480
the

493
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:57,039
crypto

494
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,159
right

495
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,559
it's totally insane and nobody can

496
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,240
control it not governments not banks

497
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:05,840
not you

498
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,480
it's so whacked out that yesterday a

499
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,039
hacker just walked away with 600 million

500
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,039
dollars in dash

501
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,520
like it was nothing

502
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,679
and the hacker

503
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,080
said they did it for

504
00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:22,000
wait for it

505
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,470
600 million dollars

506
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,559
crypto started so simple and it's gotten

507
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,240
too complex

508
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,080
it's headed for

509
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,279
an entropic meltdown it'll happen

510
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,720
eventually

511
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,559
it's entropy

512
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,960
we also just had another ransomware

513
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,240
attack

514
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,400
we've had so many lately that it's hard

515
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,559
to keep up with them right

516
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,600
but

517
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,600
all of this

518
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,840
was

519
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,600
inevitable remember

520
00:26:04,630 --> 00:25:59,440
and never forget this

521
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,640
but 25 short little teeny tiny years ago

522
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,840
nothing

523
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,720
was running on the internet

524
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,880
nothing

525
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,600
let me say it again

526
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:17,990
today

527
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,919
the entire world is connected to the net

528
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,360
the world

529
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,760
all of it

530
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,960
runs

531
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,200
on the internet

532
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,600
everything

533
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,520
your bank

534
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,480
your money your job your house tv phone

535
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,039
car your food the military

536
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,679
all transportation electricity water

537
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,360
infrastructure

538
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,640
smart everything tesla planes trains

539
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:47,919
boats

540
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
your mail your bills your health schools

541
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,120
private and commercial buildings

542
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:58,320
politics police churches art music all

543
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,600
entertainment

544
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,039
sports

545
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:04,400
every single thing that you can think of

546
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,799
all of it the world and beyond space

547
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,000
satellites

548
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,360
everything is now connected and run on

549
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,640
the net

550
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:16,159
there are

551
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,230
25 years ago

552
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,200
there wasn't ransomware taking down the

553
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:26,799
meat industry

554
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:30,000
or shutting down our gas pipelines it

555
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:31,840
couldn't happen

556
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:34,399
nothing ran on the net

557
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,360
right

558
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:38,320
today it's an everyday occurrence

559
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,480
25 years ago our world was a very simple

560
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,760
place

561
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,880
today

562
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:47,600
it's so complex that nobody knows what's

563
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,480
going on or how to deal with it disaster

564
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,480
will strike

565
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,760
things will come unglued because

566
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,679
they have to

567
00:28:01,269 --> 00:28:00,000
it's the law

568
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,279
this

569
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,679
is entropy

570
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,399
power outages because it's too hot

571
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,159
outside too many air conditioners

572
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,600
running on high

573
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,440
and an electrical grid that is too

574
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,600
complex and interconnected

575
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:16,559
the whole system melts down right or the

576
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,799
opposite maybe it's too cold outside

577
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,000
remember texas last year

578
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,389
a few years ago

579
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,039
i watched the world's internet traffic

580
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,679
in action from a special site where you

581
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,480
can go and see the flow the hubs it's

582
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,880
animated and it's real time and i

583
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,880
thought to myself as i'm watching this

584
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,720
and it's great right i'm watching it i'm

585
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,919
thinking to myself

586
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,039
entropy

587
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,799
is gonna strike

588
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,360
right here one day

589
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,399
all of the world's everything

590
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,159
is flowing

591
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:58,080
right here right in front of me right

592
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,120
now

593
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,679
it's too much

594
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,799
we have recklessly taken a gamble

595
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,279
without any consideration of a back-up

596
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,399
plan

597
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,039
there was no special manual to read if

598
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,399
everything goes wrong

599
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:14,000
that's right there's no boss nobody

600
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:15,200
knows

601
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:19,360
and if it does go sideways and it will

602
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,669
there'll be no way to hear about it

603
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:30,720
entropy will just do its final dance and

604
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,870
forever

605
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,399
you see

606
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,880
this isn't the physics version of

607
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:42,080
entropy

608
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,279
this is

609
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,360
your version

610
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,480
and yes

611
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,840
when things uh get too messy in your

612
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:51,600
kid's room

613
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,279
what do you do you yell you yell your

614
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:58,080
entropic scream and things get placed

615
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:02,559
back in order the bed gets made

616
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:06,399
when entropy puts an end to the internet

617
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:10,080
nobody will hear your cries for help

618
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,520
because there's going to be seven and a

619
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,200
half billion people

620
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,080
to drown you out

621
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,399
guaranteed

622
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,750
it's the way it is it's entropy

623
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,000
it's the law of the universe

624
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,480
you start out simple

625
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,960
and everything comes undone

626
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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

627
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to black and hey

628
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:41,269
this is the way that it is

629
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,269
tonight robert m shock is here

630
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,799
we're going to talk about that new book

631
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,120
of his forgotten civilization all of

632
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,720
that and much more

633
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:57,360
maybe we'll get some entropy in

634
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,399
yeah

635
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,880
happy dreams tonight folks tomorrow

636
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night is fader night with open lines all

637
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night long i'm your host jimmy church

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i'll be right back with our guest robert

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shock stay with me

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728
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,069
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729
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,470
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730
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,839
is not

731
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:30,480
your father's radio show

732
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:33,560
on the game changer radio network and

733
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,760
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734
00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:39,760
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736
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:50,010
radio

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[Music]

738
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,750
all right welcome back fade to black i

739
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,680
am your host jimmy church tonight

740
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,960
dr robert m shock

741
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,440
i just call him robert around here but

742
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,720
he's joining us tonight we're going to

743
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,640
talk about the new revised and expanded

744
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,320
edition of his best-selling book

745
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,800
forgotten civilization that and much

746
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:23,760
more

747
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,480
uh the great thing about having robert

748
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,800
on the show we can take this in all

749
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,800
directions and we're going to do that

750
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,839
tonight

751
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,680
he's a full-time faculty member at the

752
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,599
college of general studies at boston

753
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,800
university all the way back since 1984

754
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:40,880
he earned his phd in geology and

755
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,240
geophysics at yale university his ms and

756
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,800
m phil in geology and geophysics from

757
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:49,200
yale as well as his degrees in

758
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,119
anthropology a ba and geology bs from

759
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,160
george washington university

760
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,960
we all know it was in the early 1990s

761
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,960
when dr shock along with john anthony

762
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:04,079
west recast the date of the great sphinx

763
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:08,560
of egypt from 2600 bc back to around 10

764
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,800
500 bc possibly beyond by demonstrating

765
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,320
that the monument had been heavily

766
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,560
eroded by water despite the fact that

767
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,960
its location on the edge of the sahara

768
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:21,440
has endured hyper arid climatic

769
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,800
conditions for the past 5 000 years

770
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,119
now dr jacques revealed to the world

771
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,200
that mankind's history is greater and

772
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,160
older than previously believed and we

773
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,920
thank him for that i would like to

774
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,520
welcome back to fade to black our good

775
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,480
friend

776
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:39,280
dr robert m chuck robert good evening my

777
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,400
friend

778
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:42,079
good evening

779
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,040
i mean

780
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,160
it's been too long it's been way

781
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,760
too long and you know this is the thing

782
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,000
for years you and i every year a couple

783
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:54,800
times a year hanging out you katie and i

784
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,400
having a great time and and and it just

785
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,960
the the brakes got pumped on all of that

786
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,800
last year we're not going to get into

787
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,440
any of that but it's so great to have

788
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,520
you back on the show

789
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,680
well thank you

790
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,520
that's it just thank you that's it

791
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,359
that's all thank you thank you yeah yeah

792
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:15,839
no i'm i'm really pleased to be back but

793
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,119
the problem is that um i'm reflecting as

794
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,960
you're saying that this whole covet

795
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,680
pandemic and all that's been going on

796
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,760
it's just it's just been insane it's

797
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,480
it's really messed up so many things

798
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,160
from travel to conferences to us getting

799
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,359
together

800
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,000
so what can i say but on the other hand

801
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,200
this is almost nothing compared to what

802
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,160
it could be and i just heard you i tuned

803
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,000
in just

804
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,599
you know was listening in the background

805
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,839
while you were talking about uh entropy

806
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,160
and all that and the internet and you're

807
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,880
absolutely right a quarter century ago

808
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,960
nothing was connected to the internet

809
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,280
everything is connected to internet now

810
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,280
and where i'm going with this is that

811
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,240
the subtitle of my book and this is a

812
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,280
new subtitle for forgotten civilization

813
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,760
for the second revised and expanded

814
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,240
edition the new subtitle is new

815
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,880
discoveries on the solar induced dark

816
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,960
age and

817
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,040
as you well know and i think probably a

818
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,040
lot of listeners know

819
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,119
katie actually came up with the term

820
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,640
katie my wife

821
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,200
of solar induced dark age but that

822
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,280
describes so well

823
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,560
what happened

824
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,200
almost 12 000 years ago with a solar

825
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,839
outburst that devastated

826
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:37,520
that early cycle of civilization now

827
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:40,839
if we have even a minor

828
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,320
minor um solar outburst uh you know just

829
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,800
a little coronal mass ejection that hits

830
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,200
us directly or a little emp or what they

831
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,079
call proton solar event

832
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,440
we're doomed it's it's it's i don't the

833
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,680
whole internet will go down the grids

834
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,119
will go down

835
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,720
um so yeah i'm sorry if i if i

836
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:04,960
i was reflecting there as you were

837
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,480
beginning to um introduce me as to uh

838
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,720
you know how vulnerable we really are so

839
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,680
i don't mean to start on a negative note

840
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:16,800
um whatsoever but yeah well you know i

841
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,839
this is the times we're in you know i uh

842
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,400
this was uh probably five or six years

843
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,280
ago and i had this weird thought pop

844
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,800
into my head

845
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,520
and that is what if i get up in the

846
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,480
morning

847
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,599
i go downstairs i go in uh to the

848
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:34,720
kitchen

849
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,560
to make a pot of coffee start my day and

850
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,359
the power's out i don't have coffee

851
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:44,560
and and then i go and and check

852
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,160
you know maybe uh check my phone to see

853
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,160
if there's a power outage in the area

854
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,640
and then my phone's not working

855
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,599
and and at that moment

856
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,760
there is no way

857
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,960
for me

858
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,280
if if anything like that went down

859
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,280
there's no way for me to turn on the tv

860
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,680
and get the news there's no way for me

861
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,560
to

862
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,440
nope there there wouldn't be

863
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,720
anything

864
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,119
now and this is this was the thought

865
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,800
that i had and i had mentioned this to

866
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,319
to the audience

867
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,680
which is how long does it take

868
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,200
from that moment

869
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,480
before

870
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,720
pandemonium is in the streets how long

871
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,400
does it take because nobody's getting

872
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,960
news nobody knows what's happening

873
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:31,920
and

874
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,440
how how long how long do we go from

875
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,599
that moment of peace of me

876
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,079
standing at my kitchen window

877
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:43,040
right wondering why i don't have coffee

878
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:44,000
to

879
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,800
chaos how long how long is it is

880
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,119
that would be incredible should we say

881
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,960
social experiment

882
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,160
uh but it could happen and i

883
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,599
mean

884
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,319
not anyone's guess is equal

885
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:02,000
but because there are people who study

886
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,440
such things

887
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,920
and uh from my study and you know part

888
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,000
of the book it's interesting because the

889
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,040
the um title is forgotten civilization

890
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,920
and i'm referring primarily in many ways

891
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,400
to ancient civilization this ancient

892
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,200
forgotten earlier cycle of civilization

893
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,359
right but and again i don't mean to be

894
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,520
negative but we could be a forgotten

895
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,400
civilization in the future so the book

896
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,560
talks about you know what could happen

897
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,720
to us

898
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,880
in the immediate future too

899
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:35,280
and getting back to the pen the most pen

900
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,800
i can't talk now pandemonium

901
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,240
i don't think it's going to take very

902
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,280
long at all i think we're talking at max

903
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,760
a couple of hours a few hours when

904
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,560
people really realize what's happened

905
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,880
yeah um if that happens say the whole

906
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,440
grid system goes down throughout a good

907
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,119
chunk of the united states just the

908
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,800
united states just part of the united

909
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,280
states much less around the world if we

910
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,440
had a major solar outburst or something

911
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,440
else i mean we are just so vulnerable

912
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,359
that's one of the um

913
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,160
themes of the book that we are

914
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,280
incredibly vulnerable we're in and we've

915
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,400
got this incredible hubris that somehow

916
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,240
we're better than anything else we're

917
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:18,160
the best that's ever been i actually

918
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,280
don't believe that you know

919
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:21,359
technologically we've got great

920
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:22,640
technology

921
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,760
but it's only great as long as it works

922
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,880
and this is the thing and it's not about

923
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,480
uh you know

924
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,520
spreading fear or it's not about that

925
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,400
it's that

926
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,520
we

927
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,200
have the ability

928
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,400
to protect these systems and to go and

929
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,200
make sure that we have a plan b

930
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:45,760
right now if it happened today

931
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,599
it would not be a good thing but

932
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,000
we have the ability we have the ability

933
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,400
to protect we we have the ability and i

934
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,280
want to be very clear for myself and and

935
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,680
i'm not putting anyone else down

936
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:02,079
but i think that the most important

937
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,480
thing is that we be we as a society

938
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,960
we need to think about these things we

939
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,760
need to make the very small investments

940
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,400
when it comes right down to it um as a

941
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,359
societal level at a governmental level

942
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:19,839
at community level very small

943
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,720
investments relative to other things uh

944
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,960
to harden the grid as say

945
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,119
as the terminology

946
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,319
is used to uh protect with for instance

947
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:32,560
faraday cages there are different things

948
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:35,760
you can do you um to make ourselves less

949
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,480
vulnerable to have redundancy we were

950
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,640
talking about the pandemic are you

951
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,720
i brought up the issue of the pandemic

952
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,240
maybe we don't want to go into that too

953
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,000
much but i think one of the lessons

954
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,160
we've learned from the pandemic is that

955
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:50,640
we're incredibly vulnerable when it

956
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,160
comes to um supply and demand because so

957
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,119
many things have been centralized uh

958
00:45:02,710 --> 00:44:59,200
computer chips coming from only one

959
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,720
country for instance are one place uh

960
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:04,960
you know even little things like medical

961
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,079
supplies when those uh

962
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,319
the one place that's producing x y or z

963
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,760
goes down or the supply chains collapse

964
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,640
you know transportation etc etc

965
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,359
i mean we we have really boxed ourselves

966
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,480
in we need redundancy we need to

967
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,440
uh have backup systems

968
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,359
part of the problem i think with um

969
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,240
modern society is that there has been

970
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:35,680
there has been this trend over the last

971
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:38,720
two three four decades to

972
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,200
be more efficient more efficient less

973
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:45,520
redundancy uh you know just on time

974
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:49,440
delivery etc etc but actually redundancy

975
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,480
serves an incredibly um good purpose

976
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,280
especially in times of crisis yeah

977
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:56,880
there's no question about it and it's

978
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,599
redundancy on everything redundancy on

979
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,880
water electricity food or

980
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,200
exactly entirely

981
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,599
in different formats so what i'm

982
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,520
specifically referring to and you were

983
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,240
talking about cryptocurrency um

984
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,680
uh

985
00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:16,240
in the first half hour if i unders you

986
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,000
know when i listened in

987
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,319
cryptocurrency that's all electronic

988
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,680
uh

989
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,599
where is the redundancy there and don't

990
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,920
say all the redundancy is that's in lots

991
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,839
of different computers yes i understand

992
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,720
that but if all the computers go down if

993
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,119
that entire system goes down where's the

994
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,240
redundancy versus different types of

995
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,000
accounting systems where you actually

996
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,960
have paper that is stored away safely

997
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,000
somewhere if you have even computers

998
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,160
that are stored away

999
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,599
off the grid

1000
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:51,119
off the

1001
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,319
internet

1002
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:54,560
off the world wide web

1003
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,079
deep in caves i sound like a prepper but

1004
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,000
i'm not trying to but deep in caves

1005
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,240
where they would be protected from uh

1006
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,640
say solar events or other catastrophes

1007
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,359
on the surface but totally disconnected

1008
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,040
that's i think part of our problem too

1009
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,280
that we are so interconnected

1010
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,280
that um it's like a virus and we're

1011
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,520
dealing with viruses now they can spread

1012
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,359
very very quickly

1013
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,880
now you're you're a professor at uh

1014
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,599
one of the leading education

1015
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,079
systems in the world right

1016
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:29,280
as an as an educator as a professor

1017
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:33,359
um how much of this is

1018
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,680
talked about how much of this is taught

1019
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,160
you know are our generations that are

1020
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:43,760
going to be coming how are how aware

1021
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,829
i would say that in the last five

1022
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,640
years

1023
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,880
the younger generation more or less

1024
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,599
undergraduates and graduate students

1025
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,000
that are coming through now are becoming

1026
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,520
more

1027
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,000
aware of such things i think

1028
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,400
partly because they're living through it

1029
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,839
they're living through some of these

1030
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,480
experiences they're realizing how

1031
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,559
vulnerable the system is they're living

1032
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,200
right now we've got generation

1033
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,160
of undergraduates or a couple of cohorts

1034
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,960
i should say of undergraduates who have

1035
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,920
been

1036
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,200
very

1037
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:25,839
you know they've been really disrupted

1038
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,359
uh by the pandemic i the last year i was

1039
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,839
teaching essentially by zoom

1040
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,920
i was holding trying to hold or the

1041
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:35,839
university asked me to try to hold some

1042
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,800
classes in person but the students could

1043
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:41,680
zoom in there were of course all the

1044
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,000
issues with the pandemic and spread and

1045
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,280
social distancing etc uh

1046
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,720
it's it's been

1047
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,880
somewhat um

1048
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,800
you know i want to say crazy but not

1049
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,880
crazy because we had to do what we had

1050
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,599
to do to try to keep people as safe as

1051
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,359
possible and then you know you have the

1052
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:04,559
deniers of it and i game back to things

1053
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,359
like

1054
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,680
the theme of the book which is uh

1055
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,520
in part solar outburst and how that

1056
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,680
affect ancient civilization how it could

1057
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:14,160
affect modern civilization

1058
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:15,040
uh

1059
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,319
you know the worst thing you can do i

1060
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,400
think is to deny this or think oh it's

1061
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,040
not going to happen in our generation

1062
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,400
uh so at least i as an educator try to

1063
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,280
make students aware of such things now

1064
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,680
uh one of uh the

1065
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,200
my favorite

1066
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,440
things not only to talk to you about but

1067
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,760
to other educators and professors out

1068
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,599
there i always bring this up

1069
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,839
uh those professors that come on the

1070
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,079
show are usually

1071
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,720
trailblazers right that are that are

1072
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,359
willing to step outside of the box

1073
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,640
um yeah

1074
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,119
it's always you know and and and i think

1075
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:54,000
immediately about somebody like avi loeb

1076
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,200
right and

1077
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,359
and and what he is doing right now he's

1078
00:50:03,109 --> 00:49:59,599
talking about extraterrestrials right

1079
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,119
he's talking about the sir and but he

1080
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:04,240
he

1081
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,079
taken a lot talk about flack right i

1082
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:15,760
mean the real flack

1083
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:19,520
flaming red hot flak right coming down

1084
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:22,559
on him you went through the same thing

1085
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,119
how difficult is it

1086
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,240
once you do step outside of the box uh

1087
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,319
to to avoid the flak

1088
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,800
and to to continue i would say it's

1089
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,079
absolutely impossible you can't avoid it

1090
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,200
i think what you have to do is to

1091
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,240
deal with it and the way i deal with it

1092
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,400
and you and i have talked about this

1093
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,400
before in different uh

1094
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,319
you know different forums et cetera what

1095
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:50,160
the way i deal with is i

1096
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,440
try to always have i will always have

1097
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,240
evidence for what i'm suggesting and i

1098
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,960
will be honest about that evidence i

1099
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,520
will use the best evidence i have i will

1100
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,280
follow the evidence and when i'm

1101
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,480
speculating to a certain extent i will

1102
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,319
indicate that i'm speculating when i've

1103
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,880
got very hard evidence uh i will

1104
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,720
indicate that

1105
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:14,880
do you think that you know as much so i

1106
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,760
think it's really a matter of

1107
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,440
knowing the boundaries knowing the

1108
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,760
evidence this is my approach at least to

1109
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,680
always follow evidence so for instance i

1110
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,640
have been

1111
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:27,839
talking about ancient civilization but

1112
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,559
not just ancient civilization in terms

1113
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,880
of 5 000 years ago with the early

1114
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:35,200
dynastic egyptians etc

1115
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,720
as we have discussed often on this show

1116
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:41,119
i have been promoting the concept that

1117
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,280
we have true ancient civilization 10 000

1118
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,880
plus bc

1119
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,839
well before the end of the last ice age

1120
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:51,440
and we have that of course with quebec

1121
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:54,640
lee tepe we have that even before quebec

1122
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,000
tepe was known with my work on the

1123
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,319
sphinx and that it dates back to a much

1124
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,559
earlier period when there was no sahara

1125
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,960
desert when

1126
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,800
you know there was torrential rainfall

1127
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,960
which is why the sphinx is weathered by

1128
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,559
water etc

1129
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:11,520
yeah

1130
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:15,680
my academic colleagues in 1991

1131
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,200
1992 1994

1132
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,040
they were livid they were trying to get

1133
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,440
me fired despite the fact that i

1134
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,400
i am tenured and frankly i'll be blunt i

1135
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,160
did not talk about this stuff before i

1136
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,680
was tenured

1137
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,960
you know you have to take care of

1138
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,040
yourself a little bit of course it gives

1139
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,119
me a certain level of flexibility but to

1140
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:36,720
this day

1141
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,960
i'm feeling the um pain of it in

1142
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,359
the sense that uh

1143
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,640
you know there's still a lot of people

1144
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,440
that don't like me inside academia

1145
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:48,800
should we say

1146
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,160
because i'm upsetting the apple cart

1147
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,760
but

1148
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,920
they also have to face the facts and i

1149
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,400
think that is difficult for people

1150
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:00,640
there's a lot of psychology

1151
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,680
when it comes to academia a lot of

1152
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,559
in you know ingrained

1153
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:10,000
um tendencies vested interest i mean

1154
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,359
people are people whether they're

1155
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:14,880
academics or someone else well

1156
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,920
and describe what that's like

1157
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:19,040
are you

1158
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,200
genuine rock star status at boston

1159
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,680
university you know where the students

1160
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,200
know

1161
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,680
yeah yeah i will get i will get students

1162
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,200
okay i think this is what you're asking

1163
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,079
i will get students in my classes

1164
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,040
who will know exactly who i am before

1165
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,440
they get there and then i get some that

1166
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:42,160
aren't quite as tuned into such things

1167
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,200
like ancient civilization and

1168
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,040
you know the work i do

1169
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,440
but they'll have vaguely heard of it and

1170
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,359
then they'll sometimes it's funny how

1171
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,119
they'll sort of ask some questions to

1172
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:55,040
feel things out am i the person they're

1173
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,559
thinking well yeah and i guess

1174
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,720
right right but then others will say

1175
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,040
that oh i saw you on this or that or you

1176
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,200
know i just watched you know 10 000

1177
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,119
youtube videos where

1178
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,960
you appeared and

1179
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,640
what i actually really want to hear is

1180
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,960
that they read forgotten civilization

1181
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,480
before they came

1182
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:17,119
well and and and to to take it a step

1183
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:18,240
further

1184
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:19,359
um

1185
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,559
where they

1186
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,440
uh genuinely appreciate

1187
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:24,400
um

1188
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,440
uh your tenacity

1189
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,720
right yes

1190
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,319
yeah you know what i mean that type of

1191
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:32,480
rock star status too as well he's the

1192
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,440
guy

1193
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,839
that doesn't give a crap right

1194
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,240
yeah yeah no i think they appreciate

1195
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,079
that and that's why i have a lot of

1196
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,400
faith in the younger generation but this

1197
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,680
is something that we see in science

1198
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,400
as a generalization that you have

1199
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,839
entrenched beliefs

1200
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:53,920
thinking status quo

1201
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,880
sort of mainstream dogma whether it's a

1202
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,280
sciences or anything else in one

1203
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,319
generation and then the next generation

1204
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,599
it can

1205
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,480
have more freedom should we say to be

1206
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,440
open-minded because it's not

1207
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,760
as entrenched for them more or less if

1208
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,599
you've spent your life

1209
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,480
studying something and coming to certain

1210
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,960
conclusions at the end of your life when

1211
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,799
i say life it could be your physical

1212
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,200
life or it could be your academic career

1213
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,680
you don't all of a sudden well be told

1214
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,599
that everything you were doing was wrong

1215
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,200
or that a good chunk of what you

1216
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,640
believed is not quite right

1217
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,000
well isn't it i mean where did we lose

1218
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:37,839
sight of

1219
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:43,440
what uh academia and science actually is

1220
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,400
which

1221
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,880
is asking questions

1222
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,040
and and figuring things out and

1223
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,599
wonderment number one and number two in

1224
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,720
science science is nothing but a series

1225
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,480
of corrections

1226
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,319
that's all it is

1227
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,000
yeah yeah yeah yeah and some of those

1228
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,760
corrections are bigger than other

1229
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,839
corrections how do we lose sight of that

1230
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,000
why is it now well no i don't think i

1231
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:08,000
don't think anyone ever lost sight of

1232
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,799
that

1233
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,599
uh

1234
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,559
but it's hard to apply when it's your

1235
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:14,720
own personal career and you've got a

1236
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,400
vested interest in making sure that

1237
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,880
you know your papers are cited your

1238
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:22,799
books are cited that someone doesn't

1239
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,920
come out and say oh x y and z was wrong

1240
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,440
after all that doesn't feel good when

1241
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,200
you're x y and z and you're being told

1242
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,640
you're wrong well when you're a

1243
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,799
physicist you better be able to you got

1244
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,520
to have some people in academia that pay

1245
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,319
lip service to all the um

1246
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,559
you know all the right ideals and

1247
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,040
objectivity of science or any other

1248
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,440
field yet to apply that in their own

1249
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,599
lives that's a little more difficult

1250
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,280
well i mean it's the same with religion

1251
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,640
people who

1252
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,280
profess to believe ex you know have

1253
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,680
certain beliefs and that how you should

1254
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,480
treat people etc but do they really

1255
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,520
carry that out in their everyday life

1256
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,000
if you go back robert if you go back to

1257
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,799
san diego in 1992

1258
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:07,920
when you

1259
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,680
and down left and right

1260
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,400
dude quit snooping around quit asking

1261
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:17,440
questions

1262
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,400
right

1263
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,359
that that's that's the opposite of of of

1264
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:24,319
what you should be doing and them too as

1265
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,520
well

1266
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,839
yeah okay but what you're referring to i

1267
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,040
believe

1268
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,599
is and correct me if um i'm thinking of

1269
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,000
a different thing than you're referring

1270
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,240
to when you say quit snooping around

1271
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:37,920
you're talking about the egyptologist

1272
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,390
um listeners yes on the type of thing

1273
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,799
we're talking about i have

1274
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,359
been early in my career with the sphinx

1275
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,319
so we're talking early 1990s this is

1276
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,400
before the confirmation of quebec lee

1277
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,960
tepe which did wonders because there you

1278
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,440
have a second site another site that's

1279
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,000
incredibly sophisticated

1280
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,920
goes back to uh 10 000 bc or so just for

1281
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,319
those who forgot are having heard about

1282
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:10,160
quebec like updates in southeastern

1283
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,200
turkey

1284
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,520
and confirms what i've been talking

1285
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,319
about or had already been talking about

1286
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,040
with

1287
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:19,119
civilization going back to a much

1288
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,559
earlier period

1289
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,480
so getting back to what i was starting

1290
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:23,760
to say

1291
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,200
i in the early 1990s would go to these

1292
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,160
conferences san diego was one of them

1293
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:33,119
and i would talk to my fellow geologists

1294
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,079
i would present this hardcore geological

1295
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,599
data

1296
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,760
as to why the sphinx goes back to this

1297
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,079
earlier period based on the weathering

1298
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,200
based on subsurface seismic testing that

1299
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:47,920
i did with thomas de becky and the

1300
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,960
geologists i spoke to

1301
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:53,680
it was funny because they all agreed

1302
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,319
with me the hardcore geologists

1303
00:59:00,829 --> 00:58:58,799
except that some of them said well you

1304
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:00,839
know you might even be

1305
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,079
underestimating how far back it goes

1306
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:06,400
based on you know details of weathering

1307
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:09,839
and subsurface um mineralogical changes

1308
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,040
etc so if anything they were not only on

1309
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,520
my side should we say but they were

1310
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,839
in some cases saying you know they could

1311
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,000
even be a bit older on the other hand

1312
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,240
the egyptologists were livid in the

1313
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:23,760
historians

1314
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,680
and the archaeologists and

1315
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,160
getting to the not snooping about i

1316
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,040
actually had egyptologists tell me

1317
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,480
bluntly one senior egyptologist i'm sure

1318
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:38,720
he's deceased by now

1319
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,440
he came up to me and he basically said

1320
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,280
to paraphrase young man because i was

1321
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,599
much younger back then of course a young

1322
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,040
man

1323
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,119
you're a geologist i don't know anything

1324
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:51,040
about geology i don't know anything

1325
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,720
about rocks i know you are wrong

1326
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,040
and there are a lot of rocks around the

1327
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,160
world and i suggest that you go study

1328
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,599
your rocks somewhere other than in egypt

1329
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:05,119
and and

1330
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,079
it was

1331
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:08,960
i didn't quite get it at the time but i

1332
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,160
realized

1333
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,119
not long after words that this was not

1334
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,119
even really a veil threat he was

1335
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,280
basically saying he was going to do

1336
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:20,559
everything he could to ruin my career

1337
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,599
if

1338
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,119
i persisted

1339
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:25,680
and i remember uh one of the statements

1340
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,599
that was made in in san diego in 1992

1341
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,920
was this generalized thing look

1342
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:34,160
show us one thing

1343
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,839
that is megalithic before uh

1344
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,079
before gisa we can have a conversation

1345
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:42,880
but nothing there nothing exists so

1346
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:45,680
until you show us that well three years

1347
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,040
later go back to tepe pops up exactly

1348
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,559
exactly go beckley tepe and as i point

1349
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:54,640
out to many people including my students

1350
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,720
when we discuss such things if

1351
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:00,960
the community at large and i'm saying

1352
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,000
now scientific or academic community is

1353
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:06,880
unwilling to accept the first piece of

1354
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,680
evidence and just destroys it throws it

1355
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,160
out etc well you're never going to get

1356
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:14,880
anywhere um to use some sort of a very

1357
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,839
simple example the first recognized

1358
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:19,520
dinosaur bone well if you say well

1359
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,799
that's impossible big you know reptilian

1360
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,799
type of animals could never have lived

1361
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,799
millions of years ago

1362
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:28,960
on such an enormous scale this must just

1363
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,960
be a freak of nature we toss it out

1364
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,960
you never want to accumulate evidence if

1365
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,799
you toss it out every time just because

1366
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,799
it doesn't match your beliefs

1367
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,280
another example is meteorites a lot of

1368
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,839
people don't realize that it was only

1369
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,760
about what 200

1370
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,000
plus years ago that

1371
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,480
the quote scientific community

1372
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,640
recognized that things could actually

1373
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,960
fall from the sky like big chunks of

1374
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,000
rock

1375
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,799
they made fun of the quote peasants that

1376
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,440
had actually observed them directly oh

1377
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,440
that couldn't be the case it just wasn't

1378
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,160
logical let's take our break right here

1379
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,599
our guest tonight

1380
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,160
doctor something in my throat

1381
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,280
dr robert m shock i am your host jimmy

1382
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,200
church i'm gonna hold the book up to the

1383
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,799
camera for everybody there it is

1384
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,119
forgotten civilization

1385
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,440
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1386
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,319
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1387
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,760
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1388
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,160
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1389
01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:29,839
this is fade to black we'll be right

1390
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:32,800
back after this short break stay with us

1391
01:02:40,290 --> 01:02:39,560
so

1392
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:40,300
[Applause]

1393
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,160
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1394
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,400
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1395
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:52,960
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01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:57,680
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this show jimmy hey robert

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01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,600
um the new the big news the big news a

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couple of months ago and i mean i

1503
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,960
couldn't believe my eyes

1504
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,520
renaming gobekli tepi

1505
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,000
to 12 tapi

1506
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,239
what did you make of that

1507
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,960
the 12 teppy oh you didn't know

1508
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,560
oh my

1509
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,679
yeah what are you referring to okay uh

1510
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there's a press release

1511
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,319
yeah uh you can look it up

1512
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:43,120
uh they found uh

1513
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,880
11 more gobekli tepes

1514
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,239
that's that's what i thought you were

1515
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,440
referring to yes um but by claytope is

1516
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:53,440
still called quebec latex i think that

1517
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,120
they're they've renamed the site 12 tepi

1518
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,920
yeah but that's the uh larger site and

1519
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,520
in fact that's just something i would

1520
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,759
want to bring up um so it's funny that

1521
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:06,799
you bring it up because the whole site

1522
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:10,319
is so huge it's so humongous

1523
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,359
uh and when i was there with the late uh

1524
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,960
klaus schmidt

1525
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,560
that um

1526
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,080
you know unfortunately he died

1527
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,400
prematurely and for those that don't

1528
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,480
know or don't remember it was klaus

1529
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,640
schmidt of the german archaeological

1530
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,159
institute

1531
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,279
who uh first started excavating quebec

1532
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,080
lee tappana again as we were discussing

1533
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,520
this was after i had first presented my

1534
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,520
work on the sphinx so people were asking

1535
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:39,759
me where's the rather megalithic sites

1536
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:43,120
that go back to that early period

1537
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uh

1538
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,239
and you know i was with him katie and i

1539
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,000
were with him there and he we were

1540
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,159
talking about and he sort of waved his

1541
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,880
arm around to all the hills around

1542
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,560
gobekli tepe

1543
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,719
and said that so many of these are

1544
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,199
probably artificial also and contain

1545
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other remains

1546
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:03,920
under them that this is really a

1547
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,040
huge collective complex so that's what

1548
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,000
that's why they're renaming it that um i

1549
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,000
still think of the actual

1550
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,560
core portion as gobekli tapping i think

1551
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,080
it it's probably in the village are

1552
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,199
always going to keep that name now

1553
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:21,840
it's a really huge site and i also want

1554
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,080
to um comment if if i could that a lot

1555
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,080
of people when i see a lot of people

1556
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,640
archaeologists they say oh these are

1557
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,520
just primitive hunter gatherers

1558
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,080
they didn't have settlements they didn't

1559
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:39,440
have um cities you need to have cities

1560
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,640
and settlements and permanent sites of

1561
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,719
habitation if you're going to call it

1562
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,800
true civilization because i'm making the

1563
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,280
case in forgotten civilization

1564
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:51,520
uh with lots of evidence that

1565
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,400
no this is true civilization before the

1566
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:57,360
end of the last ice age uh they had and

1567
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,640
i talked about this in forgotten

1568
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:00,960
civilization the new edition

1569
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:03,679
that i'm now convinced they had writing

1570
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,120
uh they were incredibly sophisticated

1571
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:08,960
where's their city

1572
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,320
and i am now of the belief that their

1573
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,280
quote city is still with us it's a city

1574
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,520
of irfar chalfa

1575
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:18,719
where um

1576
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:21,280
so-called irfa man this 12 000 year old

1577
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,800
statue life-size statue of a human

1578
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:26,560
beautifully carved do you think you

1579
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,280
would think it was carved you know

1580
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,760
50 years ago or 10 years ago that more

1581
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,360
or less it's a modern carving if you

1582
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,440
just looked at it looks so modernistic

1583
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,800
and beautiful

1584
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:38,960
so these were incredibly sophisticated

1585
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:44,080
with a city that today is still occupied

1586
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,280
i believe

1587
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:47,840
uh wherever whenever they do

1588
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,040
construction work in the modern urfa

1589
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,239
which is only a 15 20 30 minute drive

1590
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,880
from quebecois tepe the quebecois tepe

1591
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,560
complex whenever they do modern

1592
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,159
construction or

1593
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:02,000
new road work or

1594
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,360
build an under

1595
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,760
uh ground garage they hit this older

1596
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:06,880
stratum

1597
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:10,719
of um quebecois tepe time and often find

1598
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:14,719
incredibly sophisticated artifacts now

1599
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:21,590
take a guess

1600
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:25,120
do you think that these additional 11

1601
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,719
sites that that ring gobekli tepe

1602
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:31,040
is there a possibility that

1603
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,920
they are older than go back to italy

1604
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,239
yeah and that we're now absolutely in

1605
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:39,600
fact we don't really know how far back

1606
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,560
the beckley tepe itself goes we don't

1607
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,600
know how far back these other sites go

1608
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,520
uh and they're all their own little

1609
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,199
tepees should we say which you know it's

1610
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,719
basically hills

1611
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:52,159
um

1612
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:56,229
where you have excavation sites where

1613
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,000
it's been filled over and another thing

1614
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,920
about quebec lake tape and a lot of

1615
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,520
these other sites is that they were

1616
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:03,600
purposefully covered over they were

1617
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,239
purposefully buried and

1618
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:08,880
i am convinced based on the evidence

1619
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,600
that that has to do with the calamities

1620
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,600
the catastrophes

1621
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,600
uh the cataclysm

1622
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:17,840
that occurred at the end of the last ice

1623
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:20,800
age with with major solar outbursts

1624
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,679
but certainly what we have

1625
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,640
i'm convinced with quebec lee tepe and

1626
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,800
the supplementary sites i'll refer to as

1627
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,960
supplementary sites right now

1628
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:32,400
is a situation

1629
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:35,920
where we had a civilization

1630
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,239
really well developed at its height

1631
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:42,719
um and it was essentially

1632
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:45,920
if not exactly snuffed out thrown back

1633
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:47,199
to

1634
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:51,760
a much simpler state in 9700 bc

1635
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,640
with the catastrophes that ended the

1636
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,640
last ice age and

1637
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,960
all of a sudden you know change climatic

1638
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:01,120
patterns and

1639
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,600
cause massive extinctions

1640
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:06,560
around the globe again all

1641
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:09,840
contributed to a solar outburst which is

1642
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,880
what i discuss in the book

1643
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,440
so when you look at quebec lee tepe

1644
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,360
right now

1645
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,760
you can see what was excavate you can

1646
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:22,560
see what goes back to the end of the

1647
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,320
last ice age 9700 bc and something that

1648
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,679
i actually came to conclude and i had a

1649
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,080
chance to speak with dr schmidt about

1650
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,480
this briefly last time i saw him of

1651
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:37,360
course before he unexpectedly passed

1652
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,719
away

1653
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,280
was that some of the pillars we have at

1654
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:43,440
quebec lake tepe

1655
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,280
were reused so they were actually older

1656
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,480
pillars older artifacts that had been

1657
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,000
reused

1658
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,280
and we're talking about reusing them

1659
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,480
approximately 12 000 years ago but

1660
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,520
essentially they were older structures

1661
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,239
and came from older structures still

1662
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,960
so minimally

1663
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,120
based on the evidence we have at hand

1664
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,040
which is incomplete

1665
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,840
i'm estimating that quebecois depe was

1666
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,440
used for several

1667
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,000
thousand years now it goes back at least

1668
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,719
several thousand years

1669
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,640
before

1670
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,199
it came to its demise so how far back

1671
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,120
this earlier civil

1672
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:29,760
earlier civilization goes we really

1673
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,040
don't know at this point uh we know

1674
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,360
effectively when it ended

1675
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,360
at the end of the last ice age and then

1676
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,199
what katie and i

1677
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,040
and other people are now calling the

1678
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:43,760
solar induced dark age that goes from

1679
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:47,679
about 9 700 bc to the reemergence of

1680
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,400
civilization about 3500

1681
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,120
bc that six thousand year

1682
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:54,960
dark age

1683
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:57,440
uh well i mean it goes we just don't

1684
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:00,880
know yeah so let me let me ask you this

1685
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,760
this civilization are we

1686
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,880
referring to

1687
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:09,120
hunter-gatherers are we talking about a

1688
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:12,960
civilization robert that was upright uh

1689
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,000
agriculture religion uh

1690
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:19,440
a political system and a government

1691
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,239
and all systems in place writing no we

1692
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,120
are talking more along the lines of the

1693
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:27,280
latter um

1694
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,159
but i say along the lines of the latter

1695
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:31,679
because

1696
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,640
it's very

1697
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,120
something that i have a lot of issues

1698
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,679
with is some of my colleagues when i say

1699
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,199
some of my colleagues i'm thinking of my

1700
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,880
academic colleagues as well as other

1701
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:47,679
people my academic colleagues who like

1702
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,880
to look at ancient civilization through

1703
01:16:54,669 --> 01:16:53,520
the lens of our own civilization with

1704
01:16:59,149 --> 01:16:54,679
our own

1705
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,159
you know

1706
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:01,840
inclinations our own understanding and

1707
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,880
they weren't us necessarily so were they

1708
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:06,640
hunter gatherers

1709
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,960
not in the sense that we think of as

1710
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:11,120
hunter gatherers they were a true

1711
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,120
civilization i'm convinced i'm actually

1712
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,400
convinced they had uh writing that they

1713
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:19,120
uh did science as we would see it but

1714
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,960
did they necessarily make the same

1715
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,360
distinctions between the various fields

1716
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:25,760
let's say science and religion and

1717
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,040
philosophy that we do not necessarily

1718
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,960
but as i discuss in the book they seem

1719
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:32,880
to for instance have had

1720
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,080
um a very good concept of what we would

1721
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,800
now call plasma physics solar plasma

1722
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:41,440
physics well that makes sense actually

1723
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,280
because they were living

1724
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,840
at the end of their civilization at

1725
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,920
least at a time when the sun was

1726
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,920
erupting and they were observing what

1727
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:51,440
the sun was doing and they may have

1728
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,080
known the signs of what to look for be

1729
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:58,239
you know when a solar outburst was about

1730
01:18:02,070 --> 01:17:59,679
to occur

1731
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,080
i just give that as one example they

1732
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:04,480
were certainly building

1733
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:08,400
uh you know incredible megalithic sites

1734
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:11,520
how they did that with a little bit of

1735
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,199
technology that we're aware of i cannot

1736
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,440
cogently explain

1737
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,480
i don't necessarily

1738
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,440
subscribe to what katie refers to as the

1739
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,520
chip chip method more or less you know

1740
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,679
the classic archaeological thing though

1741
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,239
you just use very very primitive stone

1742
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,159
tools and you just chip chip chip chip

1743
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,159
chip chip and you take you know 20

1744
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:36,480
generations to make one i'm exaggerating

1745
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,760
a little bit but to carve out one pillar

1746
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:42,480
uh when you look at the workmanship etc

1747
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,719
it just doesn't add up in that sense

1748
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,760
did they have agriculture

1749
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:52,159
we don't know

1750
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,270
right now right in front of everybody

1751
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:05,840
and i'll do it again too robert is this

1752
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,080
and this is where i will i will debate

1753
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,320
katie on this and i love her to death

1754
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,600
but yeah when i when you look at just

1755
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,360
forget about the other 11 sites that

1756
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:17,280
they have right there but when you look

1757
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,719
at the size of gobekli tepe itself and

1758
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,040
we still don't know how deep and how big

1759
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,520
it actually is we don't know but

1760
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:27,520
you have to have

1761
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:30,960
a an organization in place

1762
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:34,000
to support the workers that are

1763
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,840
quarrying that are moving the stones you

1764
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:37,360
have to clothe them you have to feed

1765
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,080
them

1766
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:40,080
you have to caught you have to there has

1767
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,360
to be a system in place that is

1768
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:45,840
organized you have to have a call no i

1769
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,840
we i didn't i didn't say she didn't say

1770
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,760
that okay it's a good thing she did

1771
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,239
because she's gonna face me then um what

1772
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,520
i'm i was saying is that um to suggest

1773
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:57,040
that they were doing this all with

1774
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,000
incredibly primitive tools i don't think

1775
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,760
makes sense that's why i was referring

1776
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:03,840
no no katie they weren't chip chipping

1777
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,199
no they weren't chip chipping and no no

1778
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,360
they had to be organized this is

1779
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:11,199
interesting because one of the things

1780
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:16,000
that i was told in 19 i think 1991 by

1781
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:17,520
egyptologist

1782
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,080
was that uh and i talked about this

1783
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,480
actually in the book

1784
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,040
one of the things that i was told is

1785
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,199
that um

1786
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:28,719
back in

1787
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:30,159
before

1788
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,360
you know back in

1789
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:33,440
gatherer times more or less you know 10

1790
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:37,280
000 bc or 7000 bc or something like that

1791
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:39,120
oh they didn't have the social

1792
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,560
structures they didn't have the

1793
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,719
willpower how you know what the

1794
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,440
willpower is on the part of ancient

1795
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,199
people i have no clue but they didn't

1796
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,880
have somehow they didn't have the

1797
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:50,880
willpower to

1798
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,920
organize themselves to create

1799
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:55,679
megalithic structures well that's

1800
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,719
disproven by beckley tape that's

1801
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,480
disproven by my

1802
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,480
work on the sphinx they had to have the

1803
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,480
social structures they had to have the

1804
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,400
organizations

1805
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:08,320
the one comment i wanted to make about

1806
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:11,199
hunter gathers is that we have hunter

1807
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:14,800
gatherer societies today which are very

1808
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,480
very marginalized uh so when we look at

1809
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,199
hunter-gatherer societies today most

1810
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:23,760
people think of very quote primitive

1811
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,120
societies unquote that have to spend all

1812
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,000
their time and energy just to survive

1813
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:32,880
they don't have any time to do anything

1814
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:35,199
else certainly not to

1815
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,800
make megalithic structures or

1816
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,520
follow arts and sciences and develop

1817
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:43,760
philosophies etc well i think that's a

1818
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:47,440
horrible misconception because in other

1819
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,159
situations you have hunter-gatherer

1820
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:52,320
societies that

1821
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,239
have developed incredible civilizations

1822
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,400
and a lot of people don't realize that

1823
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,280
so for instance the north uh the

1824
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:04,320
northwest coast peoples in the um

1825
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:05,280
uh

1826
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:11,440
canada and north america they um

1827
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:14,560
they had an incredible society and they

1828
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,760
built um huge structures and what people

1829
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:20,239
call totem poles etc now this is all

1830
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,120
wood

1831
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,199
uh compared to

1832
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:25,280
megalithic structures but they still had

1833
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,560
incredible

1834
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,960
society and they were effectively hunter

1835
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,880
gatherers what did they gather they

1836
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:33,360
gathered a lot of seafood in their case

1837
01:22:38,910 --> 01:22:37,040
etc we to this day are hunter-gatherers

1838
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:38,920
in the sense of

1839
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:41,600
a lot of wild

1840
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,120
seafood is gathered from the ocean so

1841
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:47,920
to use these labels sometimes i'm not

1842
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,880
saying you do this jimmy but when my

1843
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,880
academic colleagues can just sort of

1844
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,040
wave their hands and dismiss and say oh

1845
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:57,280
they didn't have agriculture they were

1846
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,600
hunter-gatherers

1847
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,000
that's not really a valid argument the

1848
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,400
other argument that they didn't have

1849
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,719
agriculture is not necessarily valid

1850
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:09,360
either because something that has now

1851
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:13,360
been discovered is that it's very very

1852
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:16,199
very difficult to tell

1853
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:19,840
domesticated grains from wild grains at

1854
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,159
the very early stages of domestication

1855
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:26,800
later when you have

1856
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,639
you know things have been domesticated

1857
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,480
for thousands of years you can tell the

1858
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:33,040
difference because it's closer to us it

1859
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,320
looks like what we eat etc but it's easy

1860
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,320
to mistake

1861
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:40,960
domesticated

1862
01:23:48,910 --> 01:23:45,040
wheat materials wheat and barley and

1863
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,920
domesticated animals etc um for

1864
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:51,199
non-domesticated when you're talking 12

1865
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:54,800
000 and more years ago and it's also

1866
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,159
easy to mistake getting back to tools um

1867
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:00,560
to mistake what might be tools and what

1868
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,080
might not be tools because in most cases

1869
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:05,920
they're not going to leave their tools

1870
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,639
sitting around for us to find

1871
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,880
and the only thing we might find are a

1872
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:12,000
few

1873
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:15,600
broken you know fragments

1874
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:18,480
that are overlooked easily so there's

1875
01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:21,840
there's a lot of issues trying to

1876
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:24,760
reconstruct the past and there's this

1877
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:27,760
incredible bias i believe

1878
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,320
among standard archaeologists and

1879
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:31,679
historians

1880
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,960
to look down on past peoples and

1881
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,840
i'll use the term primitive primitivize

1882
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:39,600
them more or less make them more

1883
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:42,880
primitive than is justified by the

1884
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,800
evidence we have yeah

1885
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:47,280
that's such a good point and

1886
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,320
when

1887
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,560
people try to fight this you know your

1888
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:52,719
colleagues and others right

1889
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:55,520
uh when they try to fight this

1890
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,800
their argument for me stops in its

1891
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,000
tracks

1892
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,280
when you take an example of gobekli tepe

1893
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:04,800
and those columns

1894
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,400
that were quarried 25 miles away

1895
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,719
and you're telling me that a primitive

1896
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:12,639
culture that you're telling me was

1897
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,159
digging in the dirt for seeds right

1898
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,960
to eat right that that primitive culture

1899
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:21,040
figured out a way without the wheel and

1900
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:24,080
without anything else to quarry and move

1901
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,920
those

1902
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:27,360
tonnage

1903
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:31,920
that it's not

1904
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,400
these pillars you're talking

1905
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,280
10 15 tons okay that is not the 50

1906
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:39,920
hundred tons that you might get at giza

1907
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:43,120
for some of the blocks but these pillars

1908
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,000
just let's say 10 ton pillar to a 15 ton

1909
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:48,880
pillar that is not trivial number one

1910
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,239
but number two and when people look at

1911
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,639
the photographs in the book and by the

1912
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,639
way for those who have the first edition

1913
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,639
if i'm allowed to say this you they

1914
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,239
should get the second edition i hope

1915
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:01,679
they'll get the second edition because

1916
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,880
it's so much more expanded including um

1917
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:08,080
40 plus new photographs a new chapter et

1918
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,600
cetera et cetera

1919
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:11,120
so

1920
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,800
you know not to push the book but to

1921
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:14,639
push the information

1922
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,080
when you look at these pillars that were

1923
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:21,199
carved at quebec lee tepe they are so

1924
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:24,880
beautifully carved with reliefs on them

1925
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:28,320
with uh figures in the round uh

1926
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:29,280
tall

1927
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,239
thin

1928
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,760
this is

1929
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:34,000
a real feat and i can say that as a

1930
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:37,920
geologist this is a real feat to do this

1931
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,800
and to erect them without them snapping

1932
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,199
you know because they're not big ugly

1933
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,360
not ugly they're not ugly at um

1934
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:47,679
stonehenge but they're not big

1935
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,080
rough-hewn pillars as you see at

1936
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:52,400
stonehenge i mean those things you could

1937
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,000
from a geological point of viet

1938
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:56,880
stonehenge you can drag those around and

1939
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,679
if you try to put up once it falls down

1940
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,199
you can try to put it up again it's

1941
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:03,440
probably not going to break on you

1942
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,639
but with gabekli tepe if they carved

1943
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:08,960
that pillar out completely and then when

1944
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:11,040
they were trying to erect it if they

1945
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,040
didn't do it just right

1946
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,280
it could have snapped on them and the

1947
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:16,960
book has my

1948
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,120
my favorite picture of you

1949
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:21,760
uh so this is worth the book right here

1950
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,960
it's dr shock and urfa man i still it's

1951
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,719
one of my oh yeah it's one of my

1952
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:28,639
favorite pictures

1953
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,440
but you know to go and to see him and to

1954
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,239
look him in the eye so to speak and this

1955
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:38,080
is someone looking back at me or at

1956
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:39,840
least an image of someone looking back

1957
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,000
at me from 12 000 years ago it's really

1958
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,400
it's it's really quite amazing and

1959
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,719
and you you've you know what we're

1960
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,800
looking at i mean that does not look

1961
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:53,280
like some primitive

1962
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,000
caveman does it no it's it's an

1963
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,040
impossibility and as we head to the

1964
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:01,280
break we can pick this up when we come

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01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:02,239
back

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01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,120
but

1967
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,040
how do they

1968
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,199
honestly especially today we're getting

1969
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,880
too too smart

1970
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,600
but where they honestly want us to

1971
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:12,960
believe

1972
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:16,000
that the if they say it enough if they

1973
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:18,000
say it enough it becomes truth and

1974
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,440
becomes fact

1975
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:21,920
well in this case it just doesn't work

1976
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,920
we're talking about something that is 7

1977
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,920
000 years older than

1978
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:27,120
7

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01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:31,120
000 years and a civilization like that

1980
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:34,719
wasn't supposed to exist well it did

1981
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:37,840
which means they were organized they had

1982
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:40,800
all the elements of a modern advanced

1983
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:43,280
civilization that we would expect that

1984
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:47,040
would think of design engineer quarry

1985
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:50,320
and build gobekli tepi and there must be

1986
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:53,199
more and now it turns out there are

1987
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:54,400
i think

1988
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,440
the whole argument doesn't hold water

1989
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,199
it doesn't it doesn't

1990
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:00,960
let's uh let's get ready to take our

1991
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:03,840
break and the other uh the other part of

1992
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,440
this which uh we kind of moved off of

1993
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:09,199
but i want to continue this when we come

1994
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:13,120
back if these dates start to push back

1995
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:16,960
where we are getting into 12 13 14 15

1996
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:20,880
000 bc or older just at the site of

1997
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:23,440
gobekli tepe how does this change

1998
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,070
it's it's very profound it's very

1999
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:32,480
profound i mean i think we really have

2000
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,320
to rethink our origins and how far back

2001
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:38,880
humanity goes and what humanity went

2002
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,280
through and that's one of the lessons of

2003
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:43,679
forgotten civilization also

2004
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,120
is that um it has not been a one-way

2005
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:49,679
street of upward progress there have

2006
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,080
been setbacks there have been cycles of

2007
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,639
civilization and that's what all the

2008
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,159
that's what the ancient people said

2009
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:57,600
about the

2010
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,080
that's what ancient people five thousand

2011
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:02,880
years ago said and

2012
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,800
modern academics have just wanted to

2013
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:06,960
dismiss this as a bunch of myths and

2014
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,000
nonsense uh but five thousand years ago

2015
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,639
the dynastic egyptians and others were

2016
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,639
talking about

2017
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:17,040
their predecessors thousands of years

2018
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:18,639
earlier who were incredibly

2019
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:21,760
sophisticated that's right being taught

2020
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,199
everything is taught right very rarely

2021
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,360
do we have somebody

2022
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:30,000
sitting in a cave uh not hunting and

2023
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:31,760
gathering but sitting in a cave and his

2024
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:33,760
wife comes in and says hey what are you

2025
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:35,360
doing oh i

2026
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,520
i just thought of a way to domesticate

2027
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:42,320
wheat right

2028
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:43,199
okay

2029
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,239
those those events are do happen once in

2030
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:48,560
a while but everything is taught

2031
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,760
which says to me robert that somebody

2032
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:53,199
taught

2033
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:55,360
people how to carve and build gobekli

2034
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,080
tepe it came from somewhere else

2035
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:00,800
it was taught and it's handed down and

2036
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,400
why is it such a a hard road to fight i

2037
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:06,719
just don't get it it seems

2038
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,990
not to academic

2039
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:18,470
let's take our break right here our

2040
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,840
guest tonight dr robert m shock

2041
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:23,520
and uh i got to tell you he's got so

2042
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,880
many letters after his name i have none

2043
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,639
but these conversations are the best

2044
01:31:37,410 --> 01:31:30,159
robert stay right there we'll be right

2045
01:31:37,420 --> 01:31:47,910
[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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headed do you wonder about the food

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supply i do disruptions in the food

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01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,470
welcome back fade to black i am your

2131
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host jimmy church tonight dr robert m

2132
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,440
shock is with us more with robert

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in just a second because i've got to

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2160
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dr robert m shock now um

2161
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,679
robert i want to take uh advantage of

2162
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,280
our time together here

2163
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,840
i we don't get to talk

2164
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directly to

2165
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our our teachers and our educators out

2166
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there

2167
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um you're getting ready to go back to

2168
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:53,679
school are you

2169
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,159
going to be teaching in person new

2170
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:58,560
semester begins in september

2171
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:00,560
and in person

2172
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,280
in person at least that's what i'm told

2173
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:05,920
i'm a little nervous about to be honest

2174
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,880
uh

2175
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:09,119
why would you be nervous

2176
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:11,840
oh i don't know you know little things

2177
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very very little things like viruses

2178
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very very tiny little things

2179
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,960
very tiny little things no but you know

2180
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,199
i've been studying ancient civilization

2181
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:24,960
i've been studying what

2182
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,199
leads and we're trying to figure it out

2183
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:28,960
what leads to the rise and fall of

2184
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:31,119
civilization and sometimes it can be

2185
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:33,679
something that um you don't necessarily

2186
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,080
expect that the quebecois tepe people

2187
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:38,000
initially expect the solar outburst

2188
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:39,520
actually i think they did because i

2189
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,639
think they

2190
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were sophisticated enough to know that

2191
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might be coming

2192
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,400
but that didn't mean that they could

2193
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,199
necessarily um

2194
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,000
you know deal with it um successfully

2195
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:54,639
which apparently they did not

2196
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:55,760
since it

2197
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:58,400
really threw them back so again back to

2198
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:01,679
going back to um teaching in person i'm

2199
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:04,960
very nervous about it uh with the new uh

2200
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,360
variants that are coming out etc i won't

2201
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:08,960
lie about that i'm

2202
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:11,280
fully vaccinated fully vaccinated you

2203
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:13,119
and i have talked about this

2204
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,520
i plan to do everything i can to

2205
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,600
you know protect myself and protect the

2206
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,840
students the university is trying to do

2207
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:22,960
that but

2208
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:26,880
it's been difficult um

2209
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,119
over the last year and a half and trying

2210
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,840
to do classes remote and

2211
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:32,719
so

2212
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,719
the plan right now as i understand it

2213
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,880
for boston university is that we're

2214
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,040
going back in person

2215
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:41,360
comes september 2nd i believe is the

2216
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,159
first day how long how long will it take

2217
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:46,800
you to get back into the swing of things

2218
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,520
teaching in person being on stage

2219
01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:52,320
how long well i'll probably have to do

2220
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:55,199
that within a matter of hours

2221
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,560
exactly

2222
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,639
i know what you're asking though it's

2223
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,320
it's going to be difficult because it's

2224
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:02,960
just it's not just me it's the faculty

2225
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,040
it's the uh support staff it's the

2226
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,600
administrators but more than that

2227
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:09,199
more than anything else it's just

2228
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,840
students and the these students i've

2229
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,440
been dealing with them

2230
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:16,080
and i mean that in the best of

2231
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:18,639
way of speaking i've been um

2232
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:20,320
discussing things i've been holding

2233
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,760
classes the last academic year by zoom

2234
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:24,800
i've

2235
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,199
had some contact with students actually

2236
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:29,600
talking about archaeology over the

2237
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:30,560
summer

2238
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,760
via zoom etc but they're anxious to get

2239
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:37,119
back in person but it's going to be um i

2240
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,719
think uh

2241
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,560
there'll be difficulties with that

2242
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:43,280
transition with people being nervous

2243
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,800
with people having been away for so long

2244
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:49,199
even physical

2245
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,400
systems

2246
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,840
for instance

2247
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,440
on campus

2248
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,360
you know i'll give you a little example

2249
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,520
this ties in with your entropy that you

2250
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,280
were talking about before

2251
01:41:03,950 --> 01:41:00,639
i go in

2252
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:03,960
and i want to use a photocopier the

2253
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,440
photocopier doesn't work properly why

2254
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:10,080
because no one's been using it so no

2255
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:13,920
one's been maintaining it etc so even

2256
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:16,159
practical things like that that a lot of

2257
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,000
people don't think about yeah you know

2258
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:19,520
when i picture you know i've been to

2259
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,440
boston so many times and it's such a

2260
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,920
great city but when you drive around and

2261
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,800
walk

2262
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,320
and you see

2263
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:28,320
the concentration

2264
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:31,840
of schools it's every that boston is a

2265
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,800
college town all of it is right and you

2266
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,400
walk around you drive around and the

2267
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:38,880
students and the thing and it's all you

2268
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,480
know it's it's it's it's life you know

2269
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:45,040
that's what you see and i can't imagine

2270
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:46,719
what boston's been like for the last

2271
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:49,040
year and a half wow all of that very

2272
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,760
different yeah it's been uh uh you know

2273
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:54,239
not not anywhere close to the number of

2274
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,199
people

2275
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:57,679
uh on the street in boston because the

2276
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:59,440
students haven't been there there's been

2277
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:01,840
a lot more rats that have come out i'm

2278
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,480
not joking about that right because

2279
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,639
and i know i i don't try and pick on

2280
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:08,560
rats and i'm not trying to sound the

2281
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:10,560
wrong way but a lot of people don't

2282
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,000
think about this because the university

2283
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:16,320
universities have been closed down the

2284
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,480
restaurants have been closed down there

2285
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:20,159
hasn't been as much food in the

2286
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,679
dumpsters which rats feed on so it's

2287
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:25,440
disrupted their

2288
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,199
um system

2289
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:29,199
you know i never thought about that

2290
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:31,760
literally i've got biology friends who

2291
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:34,719
have been studying how the rats

2292
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,920
social behavior has changed because of

2293
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:39,520
the pandemic

2294
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,070
the limited resources where there used

2295
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,239
to be abundance with lots of people

2296
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:54,800
around there's not enough people now

2297
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,199
there's not enough food for the rats and

2298
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:59,920
i know it sounds grotesque maybe

2299
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:01,760
but i

2300
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,199
i mentioned this because you started

2301
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,040
talking about such things that came to

2302
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:07,440
mind but if we have for instance a

2303
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,639
meltdown from a solar outburst i mean

2304
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:12,719
the few little things that we've seen

2305
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:15,199
during the pandemic

2306
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:16,560
issues like

2307
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,440
that

2308
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:19,679
plus so many other issues are going to

2309
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:26,870
you know tenfold hundredfold

2310
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:29,600
now i wanted uh uh

2311
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,520
let's let's go back to giza first i

2312
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,520
sound like i'm being very negative i

2313
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,679
don't need to be it's it's it's

2314
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,600
depressing

2315
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:39,760
but you asked about going back to

2316
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:42,719
classes yeah we're all dealing with it

2317
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,239
we're seeing um you know bears and deers

2318
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:48,480
and coyotes you know they're all coming

2319
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,360
out yeah a lot of wildlife that wildlife

2320
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:53,600
is being affected by this too if not you

2321
01:44:02,470 --> 01:43:59,990
indirectly but um

2322
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:02,480
but in a very real way

2323
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,840
the uh

2324
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,760
going back to giza

2325
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,960
the

2326
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:08,400
uh

2327
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:10,960
the dating of things there is one thing

2328
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,280
but let's talk about this in a more

2329
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:15,280
pragmatic way

2330
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,639
um

2331
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:17,920
the

2332
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,960
ability to quarry to carve and to move

2333
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:24,960
and and you have the engineering but

2334
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:26,719
then of course you have

2335
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:29,199
uh astronomy that is involved with this

2336
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,679
you have some hardcore algebra and

2337
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,080
geometry and mathematics oh yeah that

2338
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:36,159
that is all involved um

2339
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:37,840
if if

2340
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:40,400
if we back that up to 5 000 years ago

2341
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:43,360
3000 bc you know many right let's let's

2342
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,800
just start right there at the beginning

2343
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:45,520
of

2344
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,239
first pharaoh and upper and lower egypt

2345
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,000
are now united

2346
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,520
all of that happened very very quickly

2347
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:58,000
it couldn't have happened the way that

2348
01:45:02,229 --> 01:44:59,520
egyptologists

2349
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,239
want us to believe which is it just

2350
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:05,199
happened right that's the that's there i

2351
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,000
know

2352
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,639
right and something that i will remind

2353
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:10,400
your listeners about

2354
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:12,960
is that in many respects and many

2355
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:15,440
egyptologists will agree with this

2356
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:18,320
because they can't really deny all the

2357
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,600
evidence

2358
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:21,679
in many respects

2359
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:25,119
the highest level of sophistication

2360
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:28,560
in dynastic egypt goes back to the

2361
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:33,199
period of about 24 to let's say 2 800 bc

2362
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,360
more or less very early

2363
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:38,239
if you look at the giza pyramids

2364
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:42,400
from 2500 bc and you compare those two

2365
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:45,440
pyramids and other structures a thousand

2366
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:47,440
years later

2367
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:49,360
there's almost no comparison they're so

2368
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:52,719
much more sophisticated early on in

2369
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:55,760
dynastic times than later and as you say

2370
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:56,880
they sort of

2371
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:00,080
pop virtually out of nowhere

2372
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,080
people make sort of excuses when i say

2373
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,080
people certain egyptologists and say

2374
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,080
well they started building them and they

2375
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:08,159
built um

2376
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:10,719
pyramid my doom which then collapsed

2377
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,400
while they were learning how to build

2378
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,560
pyramids but there's another side to the

2379
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,400
story it's not clear to me that's

2380
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:18,960
actually a collapse pyramid and the

2381
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,199
classic sense that oh they just didn't

2382
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:23,440
know how to build pyramids and you look

2383
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:24,719
at

2384
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:29,679
pyramid the so-called red pyramid or

2385
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:32,560
north pyramid or the um bent pyramid i

2386
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:36,000
mean these are incredible structures

2387
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,960
with virtually basically no precedence

2388
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:42,239
the

2389
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:48,159
it must be

2390
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,840
egypt was taught

2391
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:56,000
was taught that civilization they were

2392
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:59,199
taught things well and if we were taught

2393
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:01,600
or let me let me back up a little bit

2394
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:04,320
they were taught or they learned there's

2395
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:07,199
they could be two different things but

2396
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,719
so one analogy i use is um we have a

2397
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:12,800
renaissance in western europe we have a

2398
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,280
renaissance where they rediscovered

2399
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:17,840
things they rediscovered ancient

2400
01:47:23,189 --> 01:47:21,040
knowledge after um

2401
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:23,199
you know essentially a thousand year gap

2402
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:26,400
uh they rediscovered the greco-roman

2403
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,600
uh

2404
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:29,600
civilization effectively not that they

2405
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:32,159
have been totally totally forgotten but

2406
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:34,080
so much had been lost

2407
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,119
but is that is it too much of a stretch

2408
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:38,800
to suggest

2409
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,280
if we just go down the chain

2410
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:44,400
um whether it you know it's siberia or

2411
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:46,159
it's a civilization that came from the

2412
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:49,920
north and then and and migrated south

2413
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:53,440
but that the same knowledge at gobekli

2414
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:54,560
tepe

2415
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:57,760
is the same knowledge that uh spread

2416
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:01,440
through mesopotamia and and egypt

2417
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,159
right that that's where it came from

2418
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,239
it's it's all connected

2419
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:08,639
well well there's a lot of evidence i

2420
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:11,280
think that it's coming at least in the

2421
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:13,040
immediate sense

2422
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,520
you well you have quebecoli tepe so you

2423
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:17,600
have the quebecois tepe which is in

2424
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:20,560
northern mesopotamia between the tigris

2425
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,159
and euphrates in

2426
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:24,080
uh modern

2427
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:25,600
eastern turkey

2428
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:28,000
and you have cappadocia where you have

2429
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:30,960
the incredible underground cities

2430
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:34,320
there's linguistic evidence that uh

2431
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:36,880
there was a pocket of people in that

2432
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:39,600
area anatolia

2433
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,719
which covers much of modern turkey

2434
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,719
that there were there was a group of

2435
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:46,960
people there that survived the

2436
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:49,600
catastrophes at the end of the last ice

2437
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:52,159
age and then

2438
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,920
essentially

2439
01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:56,320
spread out again slowly when i say

2440
01:49:02,149 --> 01:48:58,840
linguistic evidence for instance

2441
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:02,159
indo-european languages have been traced

2442
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:05,920
back to that specific region which

2443
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:09,679
includes the cappadocia

2444
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:10,480
and

2445
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:13,520
gobekli tepe area the cappadocia urfa

2446
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:14,560
area

2447
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:17,760
and something that i've developed

2448
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:20,320
and i talk about at length and forgotten

2449
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:23,520
civilization is how people pockets of

2450
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:27,280
humanity had to survive the catastrophes

2451
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:30,880
at the end of the last ice age one way i

2452
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,119
think they survived was by going

2453
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:35,760
underground going into

2454
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:38,480
underground caves and shelters that type

2455
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,239
of thing i don't think it's just

2456
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:43,119
coincidental that we have these

2457
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:48,159
incredibly huge underground complexes

2458
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:50,639
in the cappadocia or cappadocia you can

2459
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:53,599
pronounce it either way a region of

2460
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,040
anatolia not that far from

2461
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:00,320
the gobekli tape urfa area the geology

2462
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:03,520
is appropriate for it it's a

2463
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:06,320
sort of a soft volcanic rock that would

2464
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,280
have had natural caves in it initially

2465
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:11,440
people could carve into it you have

2466
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,080
these underground cities that could hold

2467
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,719
thousands of people and livestock and

2468
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:18,960
supplies etc

2469
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:21,840
so you have all the right conditions

2470
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:22,960
for

2471
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,400
survival of this catastrophe

2472
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:29,280
so yeah what came before that i don't

2473
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,159
know

2474
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,239
and we start talking about that before

2475
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,040
the break how far back could this

2476
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,520
earlier cycle of civilization go we

2477
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,239
really don't know but we do i'm

2478
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:42,719
convinced have the evidence of how they

2479
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:45,520
were able to survive

2480
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:48,239
the catastrophes and basically hang out

2481
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:50,159
and hold it together

2482
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,040
for thousands of years before

2483
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:55,760
a new flowering a new reemergence of

2484
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:58,080
civilization so were they some of the

2485
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:01,440
teachers in the media sense i think that

2486
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:03,840
could definitely be the case now and

2487
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,760
they carried on these traditions you

2488
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:07,920
know it's not again i use because people

2489
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:10,159
i think can understand it sometimes i

2490
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,920
use the example of the dark ages post

2491
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,679
collapse of the

2492
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:17,760
western roman

2493
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:21,199
empire and the monasteries where they

2494
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:24,320
kept literature going they kept um

2495
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:25,440
certain

2496
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:27,920
thoughts going they kept

2497
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:30,560
certain knowledge in some cases the

2498
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:32,719
monks literally they would just copy and

2499
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,440
re-copy and recopy they didn't quite

2500
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,239
understand what they were doing but they

2501
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:40,560
knew it was important they knew that

2502
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:43,040
there was value to what they had

2503
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:45,040
even if they didn't have all the pieces

2504
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,719
together to really understand exactly

2505
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,400
what the value was

2506
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:52,719
now that's such a great point

2507
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,360
and now uh

2508
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:57,599
i'm going to ask you something direct

2509
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,199
i don't think i've ever asked you this

2510
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,280
before but i'm very confused you've

2511
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,360
never you're not you've never been known

2512
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:05,280
for being super subtle have you ever

2513
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,400
ever

2514
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:07,840
is this

2515
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:10,000
um you're a geologist

2516
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:13,280
how hard is granite just give me one

2517
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:16,719
word how hard is granite

2518
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,000
one word hard it's hard very hard very

2519
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:22,560
hard it depends on your granite yeah but

2520
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:24,880
if you're talking nice fresh granite

2521
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:27,599
it's very hard it depends on i don't

2522
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,920
want to get too geological on you it

2523
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,239
depends on what the ratio of feldspars

2524
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:34,800
to micas to corpses

2525
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:37,360
are in it but think of quartz think of

2526
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,480
um courts most granite has a fairly good

2527
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:42,960
percentage of courts in it quartz is

2528
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,440
quite hard you think of a quartz crystal

2529
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:47,599
yes okay so

2530
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,639
how

2531
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:50,880
is it possible

2532
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,639
to

2533
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,159
elegantly

2534
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,880
carve with precision

2535
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:58,719
red granite

2536
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:00,880
with copper

2537
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:04,159
how how is that just it's very difficult

2538
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:06,000
so this gets back to something that we

2539
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:07,840
were talking about

2540
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,639
earlier today this evening and that's

2541
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,400
why and i don't want to misinterpret i

2542
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,800
was talking about the chip chip method a

2543
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:17,520
lot of archaeologists say that

2544
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,360
they used the chip chip meth they just

2545
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:21,840
kept chipping away at it with you know

2546
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:24,239
another rock that type of thing or a

2547
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,199
simple

2548
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,599
copper tool and what i was saying before

2549
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,440
is that katie and i

2550
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:31,920
do not agree with that we make fun of

2551
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,239
the quote chip chip method

2552
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:37,760
and it has been suggested in some cases

2553
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:41,679
that you could use copper tools to try

2554
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,599
to carve granite like that every example

2555
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:47,520
i've actually seen where

2556
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:50,159
someone really tried it with genuine

2557
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:52,960
carp copper tools what happens the

2558
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,960
copper bends and

2559
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:56,880
you know it just doesn't work

2560
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:58,480
now if you put a little tin in the

2561
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:01,840
copper to make it bronze you get a

2562
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:04,639
little bit better you can get a little

2563
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:07,760
bit um make a little bit more headway

2564
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:10,800
before you lose an edge before your tool

2565
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:11,599
is

2566
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:14,080
non-functional but something that has

2567
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:15,679
been suggested

2568
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:20,000
is that they may have been using um

2569
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,960
some type of uh iron

2570
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:24,800
that they may have you know iron

2571
01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:28,320
meteorites have been suggested uh

2572
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,400
smelting iron

2573
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:32,080
not fully

2574
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,320
melting the iron down like you would in

2575
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:37,840
modern times

2576
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:40,960
but if you uh get

2577
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:44,239
uh basically a sort of a crude wrought

2578
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:45,280
iron

2579
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,280
that that could have been used well then

2580
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,199
but then archaeologists say well you

2581
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:52,000
don't find any iron tools etc that is

2582
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,280
true but think about iron

2583
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,520
it's not going to last especially if

2584
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,840
you're talking

2585
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:01,840
tools that people aren't going to lose

2586
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:03,679
to begin with they're not going to just

2587
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,679
leave them around for people to find but

2588
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:07,920
even if they did drop them and they got

2589
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:10,480
lost they're going to rest after

2590
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:13,040
thousands of years so it gets to be a

2591
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:14,320
very

2592
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,360
should we say iffy question or a

2593
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:19,760
very contentious issue as to how they

2594
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:22,400
were carving carving these things

2595
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,040
in dynastic egypt you know you go to

2596
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:27,520
dynastic egypt even

2597
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:30,880
a mere three thousand four thousand

2598
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:33,119
four thousand five hundred years ago

2599
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:35,360
look at this statuary

2600
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,599
in the uh egyptian museum or look at

2601
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:40,960
what's still on

2602
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:45,280
site to be seen how did they carve that

2603
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:47,520
even with the technology that we know

2604
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:50,480
they had it's it's it's mind-boggling

2605
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:52,800
now but here's the deal

2606
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:55,440
and i'm not suggesting anything i'm just

2607
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:57,520
thinking outside of the box

2608
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:00,560
but when we talk about that going down

2609
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:04,639
at 2800 bc it's very difficult to to

2610
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:08,560
digest i i still don't buy into how

2611
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:10,719
the the precision it's not only the

2612
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:13,199
granite blocks but it's the sarcophagus

2613
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,440
and and other things but yeah yeah but

2614
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:18,000
no no no no no yeah no i'm agreeing with

2615
01:56:23,669 --> 01:56:20,639
you it's back hard to figure out how

2616
01:56:25,390 --> 01:56:23,679
they did this or to swallow the

2617
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,400
conventional

2618
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:27,119
explanations

2619
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:29,119
uh you know there's been cases i've

2620
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:30,480
talked to um

2621
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,679
uh

2622
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:33,280
sculptors

2623
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,520
and uh master uh carvers who work on

2624
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:39,679
stone today and

2625
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:40,880
they

2626
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:44,320
can't necessarily duplicate

2627
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,239
what the ancient egyptians were doing at

2628
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:48,880
least they can't duplicate it in any

2629
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:51,280
reasonable time frame

2630
01:56:55,510 --> 01:56:53,599
uh they they can you know some of them

2631
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,520
will say oh yeah they could do it if you

2632
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,440
give them enough time and you pay them

2633
01:57:02,709 --> 01:56:59,760
enough but that's using modern power

2634
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:02,719
tools etcetera also

2635
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,880
real problem but let's back up seven

2636
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,719
thousand years

2637
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:08,880
wow

2638
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:09,920
how

2639
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:12,239
when you're talking 12 000 years ago

2640
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:15,199
right so uh as a geologist

2641
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,480
and you look at the 3d reliefs and it's

2642
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:20,560
you know specifically the cat right the

2643
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:24,080
cougar um at go beckley tappy how was

2644
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:27,360
that done in the chip chip method

2645
01:57:34,149 --> 01:57:30,960
it's 7 000 years prior the the precision

2646
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:34,159
of those t-pillars the 3-d relief

2647
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:36,320
carving it's 3-d

2648
01:57:42,149 --> 01:57:39,760
it's not in said it's outset

2649
01:57:44,229 --> 01:57:42,159
how do you do that with the chip chip

2650
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:44,239
method you don't there's got to be

2651
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:45,119
something

2652
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:47,280
would you say that that was our point

2653
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:49,840
yeah that's the point that kdm i have

2654
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:51,520
been making

2655
01:57:58,149 --> 01:57:53,920
would you be surprised now metallurgy

2656
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:58,159
didn't happen until 2500 2700 uh bc and

2657
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:01,440
that's copper bronze ages is is even

2658
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:03,840
further inwards but would you be

2659
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:06,400
surprised if there was metallurgy found

2660
01:58:10,790 --> 01:58:09,360
uh in the area of gobekli tapi would it

2661
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:10,800
surprise us

2662
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:13,440
i will not be surprised if we

2663
01:58:18,390 --> 01:58:15,760
at some point find metallurgy at that

2664
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,400
earlier period absolutely not

2665
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:20,400
do we are we there yet

2666
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:21,520
no

2667
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:22,400
uh

2668
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:24,960
but we haven't found a lot of things and

2669
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,800
i'll i'll make another point about

2670
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:28,960
potential metallurgy or how did they

2671
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:31,520
carve these things people often look at

2672
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:34,960
the big statues the big monuments a big

2673
01:58:40,870 --> 01:58:38,080
megalist but at quebec lee tepe you also

2674
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:40,880
find small things for instance you find

2675
01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:43,920
little teeny beads and these beads are

2676
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:46,480
so beautifully carved they were used for

2677
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:49,040
jewelry or whatnot but they're so

2678
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:50,800
beautifully carved but what's really

2679
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:52,800
important and the point i want to make

2680
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:56,239
is that they have drilled through them

2681
01:59:03,030 --> 01:58:59,920
these tiny little holes along their

2682
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:03,040
um length so these are stone beads hard

2683
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:06,000
stone beads with little holes drilled

2684
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:07,679
through them that are

2685
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:10,400
you know centimeter or more long

2686
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:12,960
how do you do that without metal allergy

2687
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:16,000
how do you do that without uh metal what

2688
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:17,840
are they doing are they taking like i

2689
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:19,360
don't know what they would take you know

2690
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:21,440
a little piece of

2691
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:24,000
thin wood and somehow

2692
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:26,320
you know picking away at the stone i

2693
01:59:30,790 --> 01:59:28,560
mean it you know they're going to spend

2694
01:59:32,950 --> 01:59:30,800
their lifetime picking away as i it

2695
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:32,960
wouldn't even work yeah there is a

2696
01:59:37,270 --> 01:59:34,800
there's another i don't know how they

2697
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,280
could do some of this honestly without

2698
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:39,599
some kind of metallurgy i think it's

2699
01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:42,080
going to surface and there's another

2700
01:59:47,109 --> 01:59:43,440
site

2701
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:47,119
a cara hoonge in in armenia proper

2702
01:59:53,910 --> 01:59:50,560
and cara hoonge which means stonehenge

2703
01:59:57,109 --> 01:59:53,920
um uh by the way in armenian but cara

2704
01:59:59,270 --> 01:59:57,119
hoonge at that site the megalithic

2705
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:59,280
structures themselves that's one thing

2706
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:01,360
but there was a wall

2707
02:00:05,669 --> 02:00:04,080
on the side of cara hoonge

2708
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:05,679
with um

2709
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:07,760
copper and metal faces

2710
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:10,960
that were there and in the now this is

2711
02:00:16,870 --> 02:00:13,840
something that uh historians and

2712
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:16,880
archaeologists will dispute but that

2713
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:19,679
there is metallurgy there

2714
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:22,560
at dating between five and seven

2715
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:24,960
thousand bc

2716
02:00:29,910 --> 02:00:27,199
and we have to just stop and ask

2717
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:29,920
ourselves how is that possible or is it

2718
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:30,960
that

2719
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:38,800
uh 3000 bc

2720
02:00:43,669 --> 02:00:40,560
yeah and what do we do with metal

2721
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:43,679
nowadays uh well we have lots of metal

2722
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:46,400
so yes lots of metal gets disposed of

2723
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:48,960
but when i think nowadays i'm talking as

2724
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:52,880
a geologist let's say the last 500 years

2725
02:00:58,470 --> 02:00:55,920
most metal would get reused people would

2726
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:58,480
reuse metal they didn't just throw it

2727
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:00,719
away they didn't just leave it sitting

2728
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:03,840
around it was valuable if your metal

2729
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:06,239
tool was no longer functional or you

2730
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:08,719
didn't want it what did you do you

2731
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:09,679
re

2732
02:01:15,669 --> 02:01:13,040
um

2733
02:01:17,430 --> 02:01:15,679
you didn't just toss it away

2734
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:17,440
so yeah i think there's a lot of

2735
02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:19,920
possibility metallurgy i think is

2736
02:01:23,589 --> 02:01:21,520
something that

2737
02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:23,599
we're going to learn a lot more about in

2738
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:26,080
the future if i could make predictions

2739
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:28,080
we're going to learn a lot more about

2740
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:30,239
how far back it goes and how

2741
02:01:35,109 --> 02:01:32,960
sophisticated it may have been for

2742
02:01:37,030 --> 02:01:35,119
extremely ancient people

2743
02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:37,040
i was going to say too um you're talking

2744
02:01:40,310 --> 02:01:39,040
about what different terms mean quebec

2745
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:40,320
lee tepe

2746
02:01:45,030 --> 02:01:42,800
basically means hill with a naval or

2747
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:45,040
even some people interpret as naval of

2748
02:01:51,030 --> 02:01:47,760
the world that type of thing but a hill

2749
02:01:53,990 --> 02:01:51,040
and a naval and the suggestion that

2750
02:01:56,950 --> 02:01:54,000
maybe this was a origins place a place

2751
02:01:59,990 --> 02:01:56,960
where things go back to a certain origin

2752
02:02:03,189 --> 02:02:00,000
uh easter island also had the name

2753
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:03,199
tipita tahenua which essentially means a

2754
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:06,000
naval of the world so a lot of places

2755
02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:07,440
uh trace

2756
02:02:12,310 --> 02:02:09,920
themselves back to certain

2757
02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:12,320
you know origin sites let's take our

2758
02:02:16,390 --> 02:02:14,400
break right here our guest tonight dr

2759
02:02:17,990 --> 02:02:16,400
robert m shock

2760
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:18,000
i'm gonna hold it up to the camera we're

2761
02:02:21,990 --> 02:02:19,440
talking about

2762
02:02:24,709 --> 02:02:22,000
the revised and expanded edition of

2763
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:24,719
forgotten civilization there it is right

2764
02:02:33,990 --> 02:02:26,480
there you can get your copy now i'll be

2765
02:02:41,589 --> 02:02:35,430
hi everybody this is rob halpert the

2766
02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:44,149
this is kgra digital broadcasting

2767
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:45,199
station

2768
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:48,880
salt lake city utah van buren arkansas

2769
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,639
why is it we're not very good with our

2770
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when you're in the house for longer

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periods of time you can see them flying

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or running across the floor

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ooh yuck

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they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

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bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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found something that is tougher than

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gold loves chaos uncertainty and

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when people aren't sure aren't sure

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about the government the stock market

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their jobs or their retirement savings

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our national debt is skyrocketing gold

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and other precious metals are a defense

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measure against inflation and a stock

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you want to know a secret

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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

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serious

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i couldn't stay sane without ponies to

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brush

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02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:44,639
why fade to black

2857
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,350
this is fade to black with jimmy church

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02:07:00,480 --> 02:06:55,920
on the game changer radio network and

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kgra the global radio alliance

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02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:14,320
welcome back fade to black i am your

2862
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:15,760
host jimmy church i want to let

2863
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everybody know

2864
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:18,639
that

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all the testing worked over at the

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campus

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02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:29,199
night we will be broadcasting

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uh from there we're gonna do fader night

2869
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:33,280
we're gonna do fader night everywhere

2870
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:36,400
don't don't freak out but if uh you've

2871
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got your tickets and

2872
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:39,599
you

2873
02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:44,639
avatar on head over to the campus uh

2874
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:46,480
tomorrow night and head into the

2875
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auditorium and you can check things out

2876
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:49,599
there also

2877
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:52,960
uh i'll see if they're um i am able to

2878
02:07:58,470 --> 02:07:55,040
well i am able to do it i don't know how

2879
02:08:01,350 --> 02:07:58,480
i can split my brain up into avatar and

2880
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:01,360
show host mode but uh i'm going to have

2881
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:03,520
my avatar there too as well standing on

2882
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:06,880
the stage and so we'll figure that out

2883
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:09,040
and i think that afterwards i'm going to

2884
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:11,280
make captain ron

2885
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:14,079
and uh and the team over there stay over

2886
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:16,159
late and maybe we can do a little

2887
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:18,719
question and answer from the podium uh

2888
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:20,320
tomorrow night too as well and i'll go

2889
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:22,320
into full avatar mode so we're going to

2890
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,560
try all of that out uh tomorrow night

2891
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,920
but that's going to be great if you

2892
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haven't gotten your tickets yet or built

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your avatar just head over to

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and uh and get your avatar on get get it

2898
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it's it's all up and running i've been

2899
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:43,679
watching uh the screenshots and the text

2900
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,000
coming in from the team over there it is

2901
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,560
totally awesome and making contact kicks

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02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:51,280
off next week our guest tonight uh dr

2903
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:53,280
robert m shock now

2904
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,560
um

2905
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:56,560
this is where i've we've only got a

2906
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:59,280
short time uh left with you tonight

2907
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:02,400
um i am going to egypt in march as you

2908
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:04,880
know yeah robert i'm very excited about

2909
02:09:07,910 --> 02:09:05,760
this

2910
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,920
but i'm gonna ask you a couple of

2911
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:09,840
questions um

2912
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:13,360
our first day uh first few days there

2913
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:14,400
will be

2914
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:17,360
in and around cairo and gisa of course

2915
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:19,119
now uh

2916
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:21,920
what what i want i want you to give me

2917
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:23,199
the advice

2918
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:27,280
okay so i i i get down into

2919
02:09:31,030 --> 02:09:30,159
the sphinx complex right and i'm walking

2920
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:31,040
what

2921
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:38,079
shock tell me to go and check out

2922
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,239
with the sphinx down are you going to go

2923
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:42,639
down to the sphinx enclosure i'm paying

2924
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:45,199
everybody off i i have okay you're going

2925
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:47,679
to pay everyone off okay but be careful

2926
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:50,000
about paying people off because you'll

2927
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:51,440
do it correctly

2928
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:52,320
um

2929
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:55,280
uh no no i'm serious i know i know i

2930
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:58,239
know i don't you be safe in egypt with

2931
02:10:03,270 --> 02:10:00,880
the people with everything uh but you

2932
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:03,280
get into the sphinx enclosure which um

2933
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:05,760
if you you know you pay your um dues

2934
02:10:14,069 --> 02:10:11,430
i would take several walks around the

2935
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:14,079
sphinx i would really observe what you

2936
02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:17,040
see on the body how does it impress you

2937
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:18,880
you'll be able to go between the paws of

2938
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:21,360
the sphinx you can look at the uh stella

2939
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:24,639
the dream stella topmostis the fourth it

2940
02:10:30,629 --> 02:10:26,719
will be very interesting because you can

2941
02:10:32,310 --> 02:10:30,639
see on the stella there's two sphinxes

2942
02:10:34,470 --> 02:10:32,320
and there's been a lot of discussion

2943
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:34,480
could there be a second sphinx that's

2944
02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:36,800
right that's one issue the other thing

2945
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:40,159
is when you look at those sphinxes they

2946
02:10:44,709 --> 02:10:42,880
look like they're sitting on tops

2947
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:44,719
on top of buildings

2948
02:10:48,870 --> 02:10:46,560
but what they're really doing i'm

2949
02:10:51,510 --> 02:10:48,880
convinced now is that they are showing

2950
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:51,520
that there is something under the sphinx

2951
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:55,360
and in fact we found under the sphinx

2952
02:11:00,790 --> 02:10:57,679
when i say we this is thomas de becky

2953
02:11:03,350 --> 02:11:00,800
and myself back in the 1990s using

2954
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:03,360
seismic techniques we found a chamber

2955
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:06,159
under the left paw of the sphinx so when

2956
02:11:11,430 --> 02:11:08,079
you're at the sphinx i'm talking the

2957
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:11,440
left paw of the sphinx as an animal so

2958
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:14,480
if you're facing the sphinx it's the paw

2959
02:11:20,629 --> 02:11:17,360
on your right side right but it's under

2960
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:20,639
that that there is a major chamber which

2961
02:11:26,629 --> 02:11:24,079
may in fact be the quote hall of records

2962
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:26,639
that edgar cayce talked about that

2963
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:29,520
ancient people talked about we now have

2964
02:11:37,030 --> 02:11:31,920
hieroglyphic evidence that the sphinx

2965
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:37,040
was originally a lioness a female lion

2966
02:11:44,629 --> 02:11:40,159
one of the things that i first noted

2967
02:11:46,709 --> 02:11:44,639
noticed when i went to um

2968
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:46,719
egypt the first time i ever went to

2969
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:49,440
egypt and saw the sphinx i said to

2970
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:51,360
myself actually i said it out loud that

2971
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:54,079
the head is too small for the body

2972
02:11:58,870 --> 02:11:56,560
that's because that is not the original

2973
02:12:02,069 --> 02:11:58,880
head that human

2974
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:02,079
dynastic head is a recarved head

2975
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:04,880
originally it was a lioness

2976
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:07,280
something else you can look for

2977
02:12:11,109 --> 02:12:10,000
is that as you look at the body of the

2978
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:11,119
sphinx

2979
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:14,960
go along the sides of it both the north

2980
02:12:19,270 --> 02:12:17,199
and south sides

2981
02:12:23,109 --> 02:12:19,280
and you will see it sort of filled in

2982
02:12:26,149 --> 02:12:23,119
with cement now but the sphinx's body at

2983
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,159
one point was actually cracked through

2984
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:28,880
there's a fissure going through it and

2985
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:32,400
this is probably i'm convinced

2986
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:35,679
because the sphinx was hit by lightning

2987
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:38,639
quote lightning unquote but we're not

2988
02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:41,040
talking about atmospheric lightning

2989
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:43,760
we're talking about a plasma strike

2990
02:12:50,310 --> 02:12:47,119
during the solar outburst that ended the

2991
02:12:53,109 --> 02:12:50,320
last ice age and on something known as

2992
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:53,119
the inventory stella which was found at

2993
02:12:58,950 --> 02:12:56,480
giza there's actually an inscription

2994
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:58,960
that talks about khufu

2995
02:13:01,270 --> 02:12:59,840
the

2996
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:01,280
person who

2997
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:04,079
supposedly built the great pyramid or

2998
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:06,960
had the great pyramid built that he

2999
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:09,840
venerated the sphinx that the sphinx was

3000
02:13:15,189 --> 02:13:11,840
much much older than

3001
02:13:16,629 --> 02:13:15,199
his reign and that he went to see the

3002
02:13:20,069 --> 02:13:16,639
thunderbolt

3003
02:13:23,109 --> 02:13:20,079
that hit the sphinx and that lightning

3004
02:13:25,669 --> 02:13:23,119
or a thunderbolt had hit the sphinx you

3005
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:25,679
can still see evidence of that if you

3006
02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:27,199
know what you're

3007
02:13:29,830 --> 02:13:28,960
looking

3008
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:29,840
should i ask at

3009
02:13:33,990 --> 02:13:31,840
about things i'm giving you a few

3010
02:13:35,830 --> 02:13:34,000
highlights let me ask you about with you

3011
02:13:38,629 --> 02:13:35,840
and just show you on site

3012
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:38,639
we talk about at length well we we might

3013
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:40,719
be able to arrange that now let me ask

3014
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:43,360
you this about the inventory stella

3015
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,320
doesn't it um now first off it's that

3016
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:48,400
isn't for public consumption anymore

3017
02:13:51,830 --> 02:13:50,560
right they've got that locked up uh on

3018
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:51,840
the plateau

3019
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:54,400
i i could not find it i think the last

3020
02:14:02,310 --> 02:13:56,880
time i was in egypt

3021
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:02,320
uh last time i was looking for it in the

3022
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:04,800
old egyptian museum and i say the old

3023
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:07,199
egyptian museum because they are now

3024
02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:09,840
moving things through they're moving

3025
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:12,960
things to the new egyptian museum right

3026
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:15,119
in fact i forget when a couple months

3027
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:18,159
ago they had this big parade where they

3028
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:21,679
took the pharaohs and it was i hate to

3029
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:24,880
say it's almost gaudy but

3030
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:30,310
all the temples and whatnot were

3031
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:32,800
painted with bright colors i mean they

3032
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:33,599
don't

3033
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:35,920
they didn't look like they look now

3034
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:38,840
originally they were all painted

3035
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:41,520
uh well back to the image right colors

3036
02:14:45,750 --> 02:14:44,560
but back to the inventory stella

3037
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:45,760
yeah

3038
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:47,840
the last time i saw the inventory still

3039
02:14:52,629 --> 02:14:49,760
was a few years ago and then it was

3040
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:52,639
taken off of display but this is my

3041
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:54,560
where it is right now but this is my

3042
02:14:57,790 --> 02:14:56,639
question robert

3043
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:57,800
doesn't the

3044
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:01,280
inventory stella indicate that khufu

3045
02:15:04,629 --> 02:15:02,400
showed up

3046
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:04,639
and the great sphinx was already there

3047
02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:06,960
and the pyramid was already there he was

3048
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:09,599
there to do repairs

3049
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:16,719
ancient great sphinx absolutely that's

3050
02:15:22,149 --> 02:15:18,719
what the inventory says

3051
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:22,159
that's what the inventory stella says in

3052
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:25,199
no uncertain terms that he was repairing

3053
02:15:31,189 --> 02:15:28,000
a very ancient sphinx and it's

3054
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:31,199
explicitly as i just was pointing out

3055
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:34,719
talks about a huge thunderbolt which i

3056
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:36,560
think was um

3057
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:38,800
you know plasma strike plasma being

3058
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:41,679
electrically charged particles thrown

3059
02:15:48,629 --> 02:15:44,719
off by the sun that hit earth we have

3060
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:48,639
the evidence of this around the world we

3061
02:15:54,470 --> 02:15:52,159
have petroglyphs that show that people

3062
02:15:57,109 --> 02:15:54,480
observe this in the sky

3063
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:57,119
um this is recorded on easter island

3064
02:16:04,550 --> 02:15:59,840
with a rongo rongo we have what's known

3065
02:16:07,350 --> 02:16:04,560
as vitrification where rock was hit by

3066
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:07,360
these electrical discharges incredibly

3067
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,000
powerful electrical discharges that

3068
02:16:15,589 --> 02:16:13,199
melted the surface rock and then it um

3069
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:15,599
formed a glassy

3070
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:19,119
casing essentially a glassy um sheet on

3071
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,599
the surface of the rock we see that

3072
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:23,679
right on the giza plateau

3073
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:26,320
if um i don't know if you'll find it but

3074
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:29,360
if you look in forgotten civilization

3075
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:32,880
you've got a copy of the new edition

3076
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:35,359
and i am flipping through it right now

3077
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,120
to find it

3078
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:39,200
there is a picture of the inventory

3079
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:42,479
stella on page 337

3080
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:45,280
and two views of me

3081
02:16:52,150 --> 02:16:48,399
showing some of the um vitrified rock

3082
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:52,160
from a plasma strike on the giza plateau

3083
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:54,000
i'm looking for it right now now what

3084
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:54,719
about

3085
02:17:03,030 --> 02:16:59,840
i'm going to do this for everybody i got

3086
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:03,040
to put on my glasses i got right

3087
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:04,960
i just can't do it you see here oh don't

3088
02:17:11,750 --> 02:17:08,559
worry we all have yeah man i'm old i'm

3089
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:11,760
old i'm old i'm old

3090
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:15,840
you're not old um urfa man he's old and

3091
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:17,760
look how well he's doing

3092
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:20,319
that's a good 12 000 years now that

3093
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:22,399
that's the reason why they kept the uh

3094
02:17:27,349 --> 02:17:25,920
they're keeping the inventory stella uh

3095
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,359
away from

3096
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:29,760
uh prying eyes but there it is right

3097
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:32,160
there yeah that's a picture i took of it

3098
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:34,880
when it was still available to see and

3099
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:35,679
uh

3100
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,800
um

3101
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:38,880
you know i took lots of close-ups of it

3102
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:41,840
it's not very impressive uh just to see

3103
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:44,960
as a hard object but the inscriptions on

3104
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:47,359
it and what it says and what it means

3105
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:50,080
that is incredibly impressive now what

3106
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:52,719
about the what about the great pyramid

3107
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:55,040
what is it that i need to go if you're

3108
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:57,439
going to guide me

3109
02:18:02,309 --> 02:18:00,639
uh what do i need to take note of um

3110
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,319
inside of the grape um

3111
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:04,160
make sure you get through

3112
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:06,880
get make sure you see everything you can

3113
02:18:12,629 --> 02:18:09,439
in the great pyramid so

3114
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:12,639
typically people see the grand gallery

3115
02:18:17,349 --> 02:18:14,559
the king's chamber

3116
02:18:19,509 --> 02:18:17,359
you can't miss those but if you have the

3117
02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:19,519
opportunity make sure you go into the

3118
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:21,519
queen's chamber

3119
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,160
uh and if you have the opportunity

3120
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:26,800
definitely go down to the subterranean

3121
02:18:30,469 --> 02:18:29,599
chamber also known as the pit

3122
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:30,479
uh

3123
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:32,639
that is actually my favorite place in

3124
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,080
the great pyramid it's well down and

3125
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:38,399
well down into the bedrock

3126
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:40,479
under the great pyramid

3127
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:43,439
it's probably the oldest portion of the

3128
02:18:48,150 --> 02:18:45,359
structure that we now call the great

3129
02:18:51,349 --> 02:18:48,160
pyramid i believe that they carved out

3130
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:51,359
that subterranean chamber first and the

3131
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:54,240
great pyramid was built over it

3132
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:57,280
uh the great pyramid was probably

3133
02:19:02,469 --> 02:19:00,160
built in stages the earliest stages

3134
02:19:06,230 --> 02:19:02,479
going well back before

3135
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:06,240
the time of khufu etc

3136
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:09,200
probably adopted an earlier structure

3137
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:11,599
maybe rebuilt parts of it this is my

3138
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:13,120
interpretation

3139
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:14,000
um

3140
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:16,080
makes sense so yes it was used during

3141
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:19,040
dynastic times but its origins go back

3142
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:22,960
much earlier likewise the second pyramid

3143
02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:26,399
when you go to see it notice that around

3144
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:29,280
the base of the second pyramid there is

3145
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:31,599
a granite ring there's granite around

3146
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,519
the base there's a layer of granite

3147
02:19:38,950 --> 02:19:35,679
around the base well what does this

3148
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:38,960
indicate this indicates that the ancient

3149
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:42,080
dynastic egyptians were restoring they

3150
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:44,000
were refurbishing

3151
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,160
an older structure

3152
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:48,240
you'll see the same thing at the

3153
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:51,120
so-called valley temple which is right

3154
02:19:58,630 --> 02:19:54,000
next to the sphinx temple how that was

3155
02:20:02,230 --> 02:19:58,640
uh refaced recovered with granite the

3156
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:02,240
older limestone temple was being reused

3157
02:20:06,950 --> 02:20:04,560
and refurbished

3158
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:06,960
close to five thousand years ago but the

3159
02:20:11,910 --> 02:20:09,840
point is that the actual temple goes

3160
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:11,920
back to a much earlier

3161
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,439
period by thousands of years

3162
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,120
throughout egypt if you know what you're

3163
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,960
looking at and you know what you're

3164
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:20,560
looking for you can see how these

3165
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:23,920
structures were used and reused and some

3166
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:24,880
of them

3167
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,120
we are convinced when i say we katie and

3168
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:29,680
i are convinced go back to that earlier

3169
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:32,560
cycle civilization the egyptians were

3170
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:35,200
inheriting things they were reusing

3171
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:37,920
things that were already thousands of

3172
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:40,960
years old the great sphinx being the

3173
02:20:47,270 --> 02:20:45,439
most obvious and the best known of the

3174
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:47,280
very ancient structures they were

3175
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:48,479
reusing

3176
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:50,640
now why do you

3177
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:53,600
what is your belief about cafe

3178
02:20:58,950 --> 02:20:57,520
and the interior of that pyramid do you

3179
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:58,960
think it is

3180
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:01,200
there's much to be discovered there that

3181
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:03,120
it could be just as elegant on the

3182
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:05,439
inside as the great pyramid

3183
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:07,920
yeah there there's probably more in the

3184
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:10,319
coffered pyramid the second pyramid just

3185
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:11,760
so everyone knows what we're talking

3186
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:12,479
about

3187
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:16,399
um which is the pyramid that's directly

3188
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:18,880
behind the sphinx more or less directly

3189
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:20,880
west of the sphinx

3190
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:21,760
uh

3191
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:24,080
there's very little right now in the

3192
02:21:29,990 --> 02:21:27,040
sense of chambers and passages but there

3193
02:21:32,070 --> 02:21:30,000
could well be a lot more in there

3194
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:32,080
and i will not be surprised if

3195
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:35,520
eventually we find it just like with the

3196
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:39,439
moography the that was made the news and

3197
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:40,800
i don't know if you and i have talked

3198
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:43,600
about that but the maography that was

3199
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:47,200
used to find this huge chamber which has

3200
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:50,319
still not been explored above the grand

3201
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:55,120
gallery in the great pyramid

3202
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:58,880
now the the subterranean chamber uh what

3203
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:00,080
what

3204
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,000
does it have anything to do with the

3205
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:07,200
great pyramid or is this just an uh an

3206
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:09,200
attempt at an earlier

3207
02:22:14,630 --> 02:22:12,399
uh temple site and then they came in and

3208
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,640
just built a great pyramid on top no no

3209
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:16,479
no i'd that well

3210
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:17,760
yes and no

3211
02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:20,160
uh the subterranean chamber under the

3212
02:22:24,550 --> 02:22:23,120
great pyramid is part of the great

3213
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:24,560
pyramid

3214
02:22:31,429 --> 02:22:28,399
interior complex at this point but it's

3215
02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:31,439
well down in the bedrock under what was

3216
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:34,160
a natural hill or knoll

3217
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:37,840
in the bedrock the entire

3218
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:40,640
giza plateau was probably hit by quotes

3219
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:43,439
lightning more or less of solar outburst

3220
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:46,640
12 000 or close to 12 000 years ago

3221
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:49,680
that's probably in large part why it's a

3222
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:53,120
sacred site in fact what we found and

3223
02:22:57,830 --> 02:22:54,800
again i talked about this in forgotten

3224
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:57,840
civilization is that a lot of the sacred

3225
02:23:03,429 --> 02:23:01,520
sites around the world um may be sacred

3226
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:03,439
sites or may have been

3227
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:05,280
considered sacred sites because they

3228
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:06,720
were hit

3229
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:09,600
uh by plasma outburst by solar outburst

3230
02:23:15,429 --> 02:23:12,000
this is literally where the sun

3231
02:23:17,110 --> 02:23:15,439
which was equated with god and i talked

3232
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:17,120
about that in the book

3233
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:20,240
uh equate it with god where god touched

3234
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:22,160
the earth if you would in a literal

3235
02:23:28,870 --> 02:23:25,280
sense so this may be what's happening at

3236
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:28,880
giza and specifically at the site of the

3237
02:23:32,710 --> 02:23:30,319
great pyramid

3238
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:32,720
that's why they uh carved or maybe

3239
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:34,160
enlarged

3240
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:37,200
what was a natural chamber in the rock

3241
02:23:43,270 --> 02:23:40,800
it was probably a very important sacred

3242
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:43,280
this or the best term we have for it in

3243
02:23:49,590 --> 02:23:46,319
our modern language site and it's

3244
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:49,600
because it was an important sacred site

3245
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:52,000
that the great pyramid was built on top

3246
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:52,880
of it

3247
02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:55,920
it's not that it's just you know was uh

3248
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:58,240
something earlier and the great

3249
02:24:02,150 --> 02:24:00,160
pyramid happened to be built in the same

3250
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:02,160
place no they all are integrated

3251
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:05,120
together and sacred sites around the

3252
02:24:10,070 --> 02:24:07,760
world are genuine you can't just put up

3253
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,080
a pyramid anywhere and then dub it

3254
02:24:15,429 --> 02:24:12,240
uh sacred or put up a temple anywhere

3255
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:15,439
and dub it a sacred site would

3256
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:18,640
will you go down to um will you be down

3257
02:24:25,590 --> 02:24:21,359
uh to the aswan region yeah we're gonna

3258
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:25,600
have one we're gonna do uh seven days on

3259
02:24:28,790 --> 02:24:27,520
the nile uh we're going to do it all

3260
02:24:30,389 --> 02:24:28,800
we're going to go to ask why and we're

3261
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:30,399
going to go to ed foo

3262
02:24:36,389 --> 02:24:34,319
of course we're going to do luxor

3263
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:36,399
so yeah are you going to go to philly do

3264
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:38,080
you know if you'll go to philly the

3265
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:41,680
temple of isis yes i believe we are

3266
02:24:47,510 --> 02:24:44,080
going to the temple of isis and we are

3267
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:47,520
also um all of the uh

3268
02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:52,160
uh uh seti one seti two um and and all

3269
02:24:55,750 --> 02:24:54,000
of that yeah he does

3270
02:24:57,429 --> 02:24:55,760
yeah all of that

3271
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:57,439
the reason i bring it up is because if

3272
02:25:03,510 --> 02:24:59,680
you go to the temple isis it's very

3273
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:03,520
interesting isis the temple of isis at

3274
02:25:08,070 --> 02:25:04,720
philly

3275
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,080
was actually moved it was actually moved

3276
02:25:12,469 --> 02:25:10,560
because of the damn

3277
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:12,479
damn right which

3278
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:14,560
it would have been totally submerged

3279
02:25:20,630 --> 02:25:16,880
underwater say that so they moved it to

3280
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:20,640
higher ground but many studies have

3281
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:22,000
indicated

3282
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:24,560
that the sacred site

3283
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:27,840
is the site underwater it where it was

3284
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:30,560
moved to higher ground okay now the

3285
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:33,520
temple is there the superstructure etc

3286
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:36,880
but it sort of lost its um

3287
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:41,200
how should we say um vitality as as a

3288
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:43,760
actual temple if that makes any sense oh

3289
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:45,439
it does make sense and you know what one

3290
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:48,560
of the funny it's it's a comedic film

3291
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:51,920
that i watched it was the documentary

3292
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:54,160
about them moving that

3293
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:57,840
that temple because they couldn't do it

3294
02:26:02,389 --> 02:26:00,479
yeah i i could not believe uh all of the

3295
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:02,399
biggest cranes

3296
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:06,640
and machinery and engineering and oh

3297
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:07,760
it's great

3298
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:10,000
that's amazing and and yeah what they

3299
02:26:13,590 --> 02:26:11,760
did and they still

3300
02:26:15,910 --> 02:26:13,600
i don't want to be critical but they

3301
02:26:18,790 --> 02:26:15,920
didn't go they did not get it quite

3302
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:18,800
right no they did not it's a it's it's

3303
02:26:22,870 --> 02:26:21,520
comedy you know and if you ever wanted

3304
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:22,880
proof of

3305
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:25,760
of uh how difficult it is for us to do

3306
02:26:31,110 --> 02:26:28,640
it with all of the hydraulics right that

3307
02:26:32,389 --> 02:26:31,120
we have today all of the knowledge that

3308
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:32,399
we have today

3309
02:26:38,469 --> 02:26:36,000
and uh they they didn't they didn't pull

3310
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:38,479
that off and they almost didn't pull it

3311
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:39,920
off at all

3312
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:43,200
um exactly exactly now exactly i wanted

3313
02:26:47,270 --> 02:26:44,960
to mention something else while we're

3314
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:47,280
thinking of it uh because we mentioned

3315
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:49,280
uh astronomy and that type of thing

3316
02:26:55,429 --> 02:26:52,319
before quebec lee tepe and i talked

3317
02:26:57,910 --> 02:26:55,439
about this in forgotten civilization it

3318
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:57,920
has alignments um and they were looking

3319
02:27:04,070 --> 02:27:00,479
at precession which is incredibly

3320
02:27:05,830 --> 02:27:04,080
sophisticated so 12 000 years ago they

3321
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:05,840
knew about things

3322
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:08,880
uh very subtle astronomical alignments

3323
02:27:13,670 --> 02:27:11,200
and changes that

3324
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:13,680
classic historians said were not known

3325
02:27:17,590 --> 02:27:14,640
until

3326
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:17,600
a mere twenty one twenty two hundred

3327
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:20,240
years ago uh yet they knew about twelve

3328
02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:22,479
thousand years ago when you look at the

3329
02:27:27,830 --> 02:27:25,600
great pyramid and the second pyramid the

3330
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:27,840
cup the khufu pyramid and the kafra

3331
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:29,280
pyramid

3332
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:32,800
they are beautifully aligned i mean to

3333
02:27:38,870 --> 02:27:35,840
the level of precision that

3334
02:27:40,070 --> 02:27:38,880
we could not calculate how well lined

3335
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:40,080
they were

3336
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:43,280
until the late 19th early 20th century

3337
02:27:47,070 --> 02:27:46,000
because it wasn't it was not until

3338
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:47,080
about

3339
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:50,000
150 years ago that we had good enough

3340
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:53,520
instrumentation to realize how perfectly

3341
02:27:57,830 --> 02:27:54,640
aligned

3342
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:57,840
the pyramids are to true north for

3343
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:01,040
instance one of the one one of the uh

3344
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:04,080
best examples of engineering when it

3345
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:06,880
comes to the giza plateau yes okay yeah

3346
02:28:12,309 --> 02:28:09,840
they built three big ass pyramids

3347
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:12,319
yeah obviously nice but you know what

3348
02:28:17,190 --> 02:28:14,640
that that robert that's not what

3349
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:17,200
impresses me the most what impresses me

3350
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:18,399
the most

3351
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:20,800
is they understood

3352
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:23,600
that they had to have a level base they

3353
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:26,000
leveled off that hilltop

3354
02:28:31,910 --> 02:28:30,080
they then brought in the stones to

3355
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:31,920
build the base that would support the

3356
02:28:36,070 --> 02:28:34,960
stones mathematically correct

3357
02:28:39,110 --> 02:28:36,080
level

3358
02:28:41,030 --> 02:28:39,120
obviously to uh true north okay so all

3359
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:41,040
of that is but they had to have that

3360
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:45,200
knowledge of how to build the foundation

3361
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:47,520
to support the weight of two and a half

3362
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:50,240
million exactly exactly exactly because

3363
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:53,359
this is not trivial at all and also the

3364
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:55,600
sighting of the great pyramid and the

3365
02:29:01,190 --> 02:28:58,800
other pyramids uh people sort of don't

3366
02:29:02,230 --> 02:29:01,200
think about usually when they're there

3367
02:29:03,110 --> 02:29:02,240
but

3368
02:29:04,070 --> 02:29:03,120
they

3369
02:29:06,550 --> 02:29:04,080
this

3370
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:06,560
exactly where they set them i think was

3371
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:08,880
determined by other things than

3372
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:11,680
practical considerations and i've spoken

3373
02:29:16,469 --> 02:29:14,160
to a number of engineers who said if you

3374
02:29:19,190 --> 02:29:16,479
just took the giza plateau and you

3375
02:29:21,750 --> 02:29:19,200
picked you picked the best engineering

3376
02:29:24,469 --> 02:29:21,760
spot as to where to set down a big

3377
02:29:26,309 --> 02:29:24,479
pyramid it would not be where the great

3378
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:26,319
pyramid is today it would not be where

3379
02:29:32,630 --> 02:29:28,800
the second pyramid is today

3380
02:29:33,670 --> 02:29:32,640
um and i'm sure the egyptians knew that

3381
02:29:36,230 --> 02:29:33,680
but they

3382
02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:36,240
took those spots anyway because those

3383
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:38,319
were the spots they needed because those

3384
02:29:42,070 --> 02:29:40,319
were will use the term sacred those were

3385
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:42,080
the sacred spots

3386
02:29:47,590 --> 02:29:45,760
and they worked around

3387
02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:47,600
the disadvantage

3388
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:50,160
where they are which was a even more

3389
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:52,560
amazing engineering feat taking into

3390
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:54,399
account that these were not the ideal

3391
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:57,359
spots initially from engineering am i

3392
02:30:02,309 --> 02:30:00,000
making sense oh i've been arguing about

3393
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:02,319
this for so long but nobody will listen

3394
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:05,120
that's why you and i need to be the new

3395
02:30:11,510 --> 02:30:08,080
team let me ask you let me ask you this

3396
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:11,520
uh there's i'm there i'm very confused

3397
02:30:16,190 --> 02:30:13,359
about one thing

3398
02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:16,200
if we back up to

3399
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:20,000
2700 bc the alleged construction date

3400
02:30:25,030 --> 02:30:22,960
okay i'm i'm using the word alleged but

3401
02:30:26,950 --> 02:30:25,040
if we go to oswan

3402
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,960
and we get a

3403
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:28,240
a

3404
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:40,080
how did they get so you know i did not

3405
02:30:43,590 --> 02:30:42,000
mention you seeing the relieving

3406
02:30:45,270 --> 02:30:43,600
chambers because i don't think there's

3407
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:45,280
any chance they would let you get up

3408
02:30:51,670 --> 02:30:48,399
there ah man i've been up there three

3409
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:51,680
times but it's pretty claustrophobic

3410
02:30:57,030 --> 02:30:54,240
people up there and then there was a

3411
02:30:59,429 --> 02:30:57,040
whole hubbub about the cartouche and it

3412
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:59,439
being damaged etc and the last i heard

3413
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:01,439
no one's going up there yeah yeah go

3414
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:08,469
my photographs ended up in court yeah um

3415
02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:11,600
defending uh some of the egyptians

3416
02:31:16,070 --> 02:31:13,600
now okay so but let's back up

3417
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:16,080
how do you get

3418
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:18,080
a 75

3419
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:18,880
ton

3420
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:20,720
granite block

3421
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:23,600
across the nile river

3422
02:31:27,830 --> 02:31:25,280
they didn't have a boat big enough it

3423
02:31:30,950 --> 02:31:27,840
would sink anything how do you get it

3424
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:34,230
not 500 miles north i think the classic

3425
02:31:37,590 --> 02:31:36,319
explanation is that you had these huge

3426
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:37,600
barges

3427
02:31:43,830 --> 02:31:40,560
uh where are very good explanations

3428
02:31:46,550 --> 02:31:43,840
it's not just that granite blocks um for

3429
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:46,560
the relieving chambers but the obelisks

3430
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:50,640
i mean the obelisks are even larger

3431
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:52,640
uh how do you move those things around

3432
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:02,790
you're the yale university phd not me

3433
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:04,720
i'm asking you

3434
02:32:10,469 --> 02:32:07,920
how did they get those across

3435
02:32:13,110 --> 02:32:10,479
when you go to better colleges and

3436
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:13,120
universities you sometimes actually

3437
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:15,040
learn that you don't know everything

3438
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:16,800
because we don't know everything and you

3439
02:32:20,389 --> 02:32:18,800
have to admit that

3440
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:20,399
in some cases

3441
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:22,640
we don't know we don't know i mean this

3442
02:32:27,910 --> 02:32:25,280
seriously i mean this really seriously i

3443
02:32:31,190 --> 02:32:27,920
often will try to get the

3444
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:31,200
um lesson across to my students that if

3445
02:32:35,910 --> 02:32:33,280
someone always thinks they have the

3446
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:35,920
right answer and they just tell you very

3447
02:32:39,590 --> 02:32:37,600
quickly all this is how they did in

3448
02:32:41,429 --> 02:32:39,600
ancient times so this is how they did

3449
02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:41,439
they probably don't know what they're

3450
02:32:46,389 --> 02:32:44,000
really talking about because in most

3451
02:32:48,469 --> 02:32:46,399
cases are not most cases necessarily but

3452
02:32:50,710 --> 02:32:48,479
in many cases depending on the subject

3453
02:32:52,710 --> 02:32:50,720
we don't actually know

3454
02:32:55,830 --> 02:32:52,720
i mean i i just can't picture when you

3455
02:32:57,429 --> 02:32:55,840
look if somebody can go right now

3456
02:32:58,469 --> 02:32:57,439
and google

3457
02:33:12,870 --> 02:32:58,479
a

3458
02:33:14,389 --> 02:33:12,880
it would sink

3459
02:33:17,750 --> 02:33:14,399
exactly

3460
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:17,760
and you're not talking 175 ton block

3461
02:33:22,630 --> 02:33:20,560
you're talking numerous blocks that you

3462
02:33:24,950 --> 02:33:22,640
would have to move and as i said you

3463
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:24,960
know you've got obelisks that

3464
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:28,880
are um uh you know ten times the size 75

3465
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:31,280
tons that they moved

3466
02:33:36,710 --> 02:33:34,640
not only moving them down the nile but

3467
02:33:38,790 --> 02:33:36,720
that's the easy part

3468
02:33:39,990 --> 02:33:38,800
the harder part is to take them out of

3469
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:40,000
the quarry

3470
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:40,960
how do

3471
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:43,120
somebody just explain to me like i'm

3472
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:45,840
four years old just tell me how they got

3473
02:33:49,429 --> 02:33:46,960
this done

3474
02:33:52,469 --> 02:33:49,439
without the wheel right

3475
02:33:54,870 --> 02:33:52,479
they they didn't have wood all the wood

3476
02:33:56,469 --> 02:33:54,880
that would have to have come from like

3477
02:33:59,110 --> 02:33:56,479
lebanon right

3478
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:59,120
yeah yeah yeah no i mean they had a

3479
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:00,880
certain amount of wood but not the

3480
02:34:05,990 --> 02:34:03,120
amount that you would expect for doing

3481
02:34:08,389 --> 02:34:06,000
such things no no and and yeah and there

3482
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:08,399
is no then seriously there

3483
02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:10,479
because i don't want to

3484
02:34:13,590 --> 02:34:12,479
be misrepresent

3485
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:13,600
uh there

3486
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:16,000
the suggestion is that yes they had wood

3487
02:34:22,070 --> 02:34:18,800
and they would reuse that same wood over

3488
02:34:24,630 --> 02:34:22,080
and over again so in some cases you find

3489
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:24,640
uh fragments of wood and certain

3490
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:27,760
contacts and the wood is much older than

3491
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:30,720
the context seems to indicate in some

3492
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:32,880
cases it may be because they were quote

3493
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:34,960
using the wood for so long you know

3494
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:37,680
using i was going to say using quote

3495
02:34:41,349 --> 02:34:39,200
ancient wood

3496
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:41,359
but that gets very controversial too how

3497
02:34:46,309 --> 02:34:43,600
long can you use a piece of wood how

3498
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:46,319
long will it stand up to uh

3499
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:47,920
you know

3500
02:34:56,469 --> 02:34:53,840
heavy weights etc it's all a real it's a

3501
02:34:58,309 --> 02:34:56,479
real issue i did i did some basic math i

3502
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:58,319
don't have a calculator in front of me

3503
02:35:02,230 --> 02:34:59,200
but

3504
02:35:04,790 --> 02:35:02,240
um so you've got you know 450 500 miles

3505
02:35:06,469 --> 02:35:04,800
from oswan through the desert up to giza

3506
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:06,479
now let's say

3507
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:09,120
they built a rope bridge or they had

3508
02:35:15,110 --> 02:35:11,840
barges and somehow they got this stuff

3509
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:15,120
across over into the sahara but now

3510
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:16,640
you've got it and they're saying that

3511
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,800
they you know they had sleds and they

3512
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:20,800
dragged it through the desert okay

3513
02:35:24,630 --> 02:35:22,720
seventy five ton

3514
02:35:26,790 --> 02:35:24,640
but wait wait you don't need to drag

3515
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:26,800
very far through the desert because both

3516
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,319
sites are

3517
02:35:33,510 --> 02:35:30,960
you know relatively close to the nile

3518
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:33,520
but it's still a problem but yeah okay

3519
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:36,080
but what i am suggesting here is that

3520
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:38,160
some egyptologists

3521
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:39,280
um

3522
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:42,479
say that they put the 75 the relieving

3523
02:35:48,469 --> 02:35:46,640
stones on sledges and then dragged them

3524
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:48,479
up to giza

3525
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:51,600
now if you i know i tried dragging a

3526
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:54,479
sledge through the and over the stone

3527
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:56,960
etc and then they have little pictures

3528
02:36:02,710 --> 02:35:59,120
where they were pouring more milk or oil

3529
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:02,720
under the sludge to lubricate it i mean

3530
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:06,000
it gets a little bizarre well so i i did

3531
02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:09,840
some math and if you move to 75 ton

3532
02:36:13,429 --> 02:36:11,120
stone

3533
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:13,439
a foot an hour

3534
02:36:23,660 --> 02:36:20,399
75 times you're going fast you're going

3535
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:23,670
fast it's like 420 years

3536
02:36:28,309 --> 02:36:25,680
[Laughter]

3537
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:28,319
they lived a long time

3538
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:31,439
they were very patient uh cleopatra was

3539
02:36:34,230 --> 02:36:33,200
watching them place those relieving

3540
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:34,240
stones

3541
02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:37,439
so yeah i mean it's it's it's

3542
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:38,560
i

3543
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:46,399
the way

3544
02:36:50,870 --> 02:36:48,880
yeah she's up she's right here okay

3545
02:36:52,790 --> 02:36:50,880
bring katie in

3546
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:52,800
bring katie yeah i want to say hi to

3547
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:54,880
katie before we say goodbye [\h__\h] yeah

3548
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:59,270
i'll get her to come over come over

3549
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:01,200
katie katie

3550
02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:04,240
katie get over here

3551
02:37:07,190 --> 02:37:05,680
here i'm going to put her on the phone

3552
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:07,200
i'm going to put her on the phone this

3553
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:14,389
wait wait just say hello

3554
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:15,280
hi

3555
02:37:24,389 --> 02:37:22,080
oh that's so cool just a little bit of a

3556
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:24,399
time lag i've got one ear on robert and

3557
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:26,800
one year on you and my brain is short

3558
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:27,920
circuiting

3559
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:29,840
how you doing baby sister is everything

3560
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:31,040
good

3561
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:32,880
oh everything is great you guys are

3562
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:35,920
having a wonderful conversation

3563
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:38,479
i just miss you and i i don't know when

3564
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:40,080
we're going to be able to hang out again

3565
02:37:44,870 --> 02:37:42,399
but we've got to do it soon and i just

3566
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:44,880
wanted to say hello okay

3567
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:48,399
oh thank you thank you a warm hello back

3568
02:37:53,030 --> 02:37:50,800
thank you so much katie now go behave

3569
02:37:54,630 --> 02:37:53,040
thank you okay here i'll put robert back

3570
02:37:58,150 --> 02:37:54,640
on right on

3571
02:38:01,510 --> 02:37:58,160
now you talk okay she does yeah and but

3572
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:01,520
okay but this this goes a step further

3573
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:02,720
for me

3574
02:38:09,030 --> 02:38:05,200
i've done the math

3575
02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:09,040
coffrey and kufu depending on where you

3576
02:38:13,190 --> 02:38:11,920
go and the dates

3577
02:38:16,309 --> 02:38:13,200
vary

3578
02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:16,319
but there are some

3579
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:20,080
sites academic sites um and i'm not

3580
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:21,840
going to say wikipedia i'm saying

3581
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:23,280
outside of that

3582
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:24,880
that date

3583
02:38:31,309 --> 02:38:28,399
khufu and kafree as being constructed

3584
02:38:33,349 --> 02:38:31,319
at the same time

3585
02:38:35,910 --> 02:38:33,359
2650 right

3586
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:35,920
2600 now how

3587
02:38:41,750 --> 02:38:38,960
when when egyptologists want us to

3588
02:38:45,750 --> 02:38:41,760
believe that the great pyramid was built

3589
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:45,760
in 20 years by 20 000 workers with two

3590
02:38:52,870 --> 02:38:49,600
and a half million cut stones right

3591
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:52,880
that what they don't want to tell you

3592
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:56,080
is that the two were built at the same

3593
02:39:01,030 --> 02:38:57,760
time and it wasn't two and a half

3594
02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:01,040
million stones it was five million it

3595
02:39:06,870 --> 02:39:03,840
wasn't twenty thousand workers it was

3596
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:06,880
forty thousand and the other part is the

3597
02:39:12,309 --> 02:39:10,240
population of egypt during that period

3598
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:12,319
wherever you want to go and look was

3599
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:15,359
somewhere between 500 000 and 700 000

3600
02:39:20,550 --> 02:39:18,240
people in the entire country which would

3601
02:39:22,230 --> 02:39:20,560
mean that every

3602
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:22,240
abled-bodied

3603
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:23,200
male

3604
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:24,640
in the country

3605
02:39:28,150 --> 02:39:26,800
was building those pyramids who was

3606
02:39:30,469 --> 02:39:28,160
defending

3607
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:30,479
were quite well organized they were

3608
02:39:35,510 --> 02:39:32,800
quite dedicated weren't they he doesn't

3609
02:39:38,070 --> 02:39:35,520
just all what lockstep

3610
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:38,080
oh pharaoh says this we'll do this

3611
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:40,240
pharaoh says that we'll do that now i'm

3612
02:39:46,230 --> 02:39:42,880
joking of course yeah i know but i get

3613
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:46,240
it right the numbers don't support the

3614
02:39:49,510 --> 02:39:47,359
dogma

3615
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:49,520
no they really don't and that's why i

3616
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:52,560
think and now being serious so many of

3617
02:39:56,950 --> 02:39:54,160
these structures

3618
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:56,960
they go back to earlier period or parts

3619
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:59,600
of them go back to earlier period they

3620
02:40:01,429 --> 02:40:00,479
were

3621
02:40:02,670 --> 02:40:01,439
multi

3622
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:02,680
not even

3623
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:04,080
multi-generational but

3624
02:40:09,670 --> 02:40:06,640
multi-civilization

3625
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:09,680
what i mean by that is that they were

3626
02:40:14,469 --> 02:40:11,040
inheriting

3627
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:14,479
i'm convinced more and more that

3628
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,000
so many of these structures were

3629
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:18,720
inherited from an earlier period in some

3630
02:40:24,950 --> 02:40:21,439
form they were being rebuilt they were

3631
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:24,960
being reused so again i i gave you the

3632
02:40:31,429 --> 02:40:27,760
example of the kafra pyramid where i

3633
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:31,439
feel very confident that the dynastic

3634
02:40:35,190 --> 02:40:32,880
egyptians

3635
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:35,200
the second pyramid the coffer pyramid

3636
02:40:41,510 --> 02:40:38,720
they had some structure there that they

3637
02:40:43,510 --> 02:40:41,520
were refurbishing rebuilding however

3638
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:43,520
you'd like to describe it but they

3639
02:40:50,150 --> 02:40:46,640
weren't starting from scratch

3640
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:50,160
how do we how do we fight the system on

3641
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:51,040
this

3642
02:40:55,750 --> 02:40:53,439
i know that you have been you know and

3643
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:55,760
and we don't have john anthony west to

3644
02:41:01,269 --> 02:40:58,399
uh and i miss him so much

3645
02:41:04,150 --> 02:41:01,279
but but how how can i say sometimes he

3646
02:41:07,190 --> 02:41:04,160
gave me more trouble than no not not me

3647
02:41:10,550 --> 02:41:07,200
personally but oh he liked to attack um

3648
02:41:12,710 --> 02:41:10,560
uh conventional academia uh which didn't

3649
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:12,720
always go over well should we say with

3650
02:41:16,950 --> 02:41:14,560
academia but

3651
02:41:18,630 --> 02:41:16,960
how do we fight the system i mean it

3652
02:41:21,349 --> 02:41:18,640
well i think it's i think it's really a

3653
02:41:24,070 --> 02:41:21,359
matter of what i was saying earlier

3654
02:41:26,389 --> 02:41:24,080
this evening um my approach at least is

3655
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:26,399
to really just keep developing the

3656
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:28,800
evidence the hardcore evidence

3657
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,000
that

3658
02:41:35,269 --> 02:41:32,880
uh eventually becomes so overwhelming

3659
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:35,279
that they can not ignore so i think

3660
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:37,920
that's number one i use i'll use quebec

3661
02:41:43,830 --> 02:41:40,479
lee tepe's example and the sphinx's

3662
02:41:45,269 --> 02:41:43,840
example when i first started this with

3663
02:41:50,309 --> 02:41:45,279
the sphinx

3664
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:52,630
no one wanted to hear about dome went to

3665
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:55,680
listen to it and academia

3666
02:42:00,070 --> 02:41:57,840
but uh and they thought it would just go

3667
02:42:01,910 --> 02:42:00,080
away they thought it was you know

3668
02:42:04,150 --> 02:42:01,920
they'd get rid of me

3669
02:42:07,110 --> 02:42:04,160
uh as i told that story about you know i

3670
02:42:09,510 --> 02:42:07,120
should go look at rocks somewhere else

3671
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:09,520
the egyptologist would tell me that but

3672
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:12,160
you have to be persistent you have to

3673
02:42:16,950 --> 02:42:14,319
keep developing the evidence and one of

3674
02:42:19,830 --> 02:42:16,960
the points of the new addition forgotten

3675
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:19,840
civilization is that so much more

3676
02:42:28,309 --> 02:42:20,960
evidence

3677
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:28,319
out since i first began working on this

3678
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:31,040
so much more evidence has come out just

3679
02:42:35,830 --> 02:42:34,800
in the last 10 years supporting the big

3680
02:42:38,469 --> 02:42:35,840
picture

3681
02:42:41,349 --> 02:42:38,479
of ancient civilization

3682
02:42:44,389 --> 02:42:41,359
going back to a much much

3683
02:42:46,150 --> 02:42:44,399
earlier period and being much more

3684
02:42:49,110 --> 02:42:46,160
sophisticated

3685
02:42:52,389 --> 02:42:49,120
it has to be that way and i would i

3686
02:42:56,910 --> 02:42:52,399
would suspect as we say good night here

3687
02:43:00,150 --> 02:42:56,920
that the the up-and-coming

3688
02:43:01,510 --> 02:43:00,160
egyptologists uh they are exposed to

3689
02:43:03,670 --> 02:43:01,520
this knowledge

3690
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:03,680
the knowledge now you know because

3691
02:43:07,590 --> 02:43:05,760
before it was controlled you can control

3692
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:07,600
it but now it's a different it's a

3693
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:09,200
different world

3694
02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:12,800
expose it um

3695
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:15,520
expose the knowledge

3696
02:43:19,429 --> 02:43:17,840
i'm joking here expose the information

3697
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:19,439
i'm just choking not choking over the

3698
02:43:25,910 --> 02:43:23,040
knowledge um expose the information more

3699
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:25,920
readily uh there's more outlets to get

3700
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:28,080
this information out but you also have

3701
02:43:32,790 --> 02:43:30,160
to be careful because there's also more

3702
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:32,800
outlets for misinformation

3703
02:43:37,910 --> 02:43:35,680
um i just katie actually just reminded

3704
02:43:39,670 --> 02:43:37,920
me about something else when you get to

3705
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:39,680
when you're in egypt and you're on the

3706
02:43:44,070 --> 02:43:43,040
giza plateau do not miss the mortuary

3707
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:44,080
temple

3708
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:46,960
of the um

3709
02:43:50,710 --> 02:43:49,359
oh it's actually very important it's on

3710
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:50,720
the um

3711
02:43:55,670 --> 02:43:52,960
uh it's just

3712
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:55,680
above the sphinx between the sphinx and

3713
02:44:01,030 --> 02:43:58,000
the second pyramid so the mortuary

3714
02:44:02,830 --> 02:44:01,040
temple you will see it is built out of

3715
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:02,840
gargantuan

3716
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:05,840
limestone blocks not unlike the valley

3717
02:44:10,790 --> 02:44:07,920
and sphinx temples but this is an

3718
02:44:13,510 --> 02:44:10,800
example of one of the structures that we

3719
02:44:17,190 --> 02:44:13,520
are convinced goes back to a much

3720
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:17,200
earlier period and was then adopted by

3721
02:44:22,790 --> 02:44:20,000
the dynastic egyptians and they rebuilt

3722
02:44:24,950 --> 02:44:22,800
parts of it reused it again

3723
02:44:27,990 --> 02:44:24,960
and it's this type of evidence that we

3724
02:44:30,870 --> 02:44:28,000
have to keep building up to the point

3725
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:30,880
where the evidence is so overwhelming

3726
02:44:35,830 --> 02:44:33,760
that the conventional status quo

3727
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:35,840
archaeologists and egyptologists they

3728
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:37,840
just cannot ignore it they've been

3729
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:40,880
trying to ignore gobekli tepe

3730
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:43,359
um and not talk about it or

3731
02:44:47,429 --> 02:44:45,439
downplayed and say well it was only

3732
02:44:49,269 --> 02:44:47,439
built by hunter gatherers but we talked

3733
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:49,279
about that before how was this just

3734
02:44:53,030 --> 02:44:51,680
simple hunter gatherers it doesn't make

3735
02:44:55,510 --> 02:44:53,040
sense

3736
02:44:57,190 --> 02:44:55,520
robert thank you so much

3737
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:57,200
oh i wasn't mentioning can i mention one

3738
02:45:02,070 --> 02:44:59,439
other thing you can say whatever you

3739
02:45:05,110 --> 02:45:02,080
want okay we were talking about how you

3740
02:45:09,349 --> 02:45:05,120
convince a new generation katie actually

3741
02:45:12,389 --> 02:45:09,359
has uh begun a series uh for children

3742
02:45:15,750 --> 02:45:12,399
well it's called adriana's ancient

3743
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:15,760
mysteries what um where's this where can

3744
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,200
i find it

3745
02:45:21,670 --> 02:45:19,920
well this is the thing um in the first

3746
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:21,680
book is the great sphinx it's a

3747
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:23,920
children's book introduce uh children

3748
02:45:30,389 --> 02:45:26,880
series introducing ancient mysteries uh

3749
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:30,399
it's just recent it's been published in

3750
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:33,840
german translation so far we've got

3751
02:45:38,389 --> 02:45:36,240
other serious uh you know people looking

3752
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:38,399
at seriously we're looking for

3753
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:40,640
appropriate english um

3754
02:45:47,830 --> 02:45:45,520
publisher for it uh but um yeah uh uh a

3755
02:45:49,510 --> 02:45:47,840
series of uh children's book of

3756
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:49,520
children's books about the ancient

3757
02:45:54,630 --> 02:45:52,240
mysteries coming from our perspective so

3758
02:45:56,710 --> 02:45:54,640
i think that's another way you start to

3759
02:45:58,550 --> 02:45:56,720
influence a new generation get them

3760
02:46:02,389 --> 02:45:58,560
thinking about this early

3761
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:02,399
now uh what's the title of it again

3762
02:46:06,150 --> 02:46:03,439
um

3763
02:46:12,309 --> 02:46:08,870
adriana's ancient mysteries

3764
02:46:17,269 --> 02:46:12,319
and the first book is the great sphinx

3765
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:17,279
and i'm looking at it right here are you

3766
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:19,279
yeah we don't have an english publisher

3767
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:20,880
yet but you're looking at where are you

3768
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:23,600
looking at it i'm looking at it on uh on

3769
02:46:29,910 --> 02:46:25,279
google

3770
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:29,920
yeah if you go to our website

3771
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:34,080
if you go to our website um www robert

3772
02:46:37,190 --> 02:46:36,000
shock dot com

3773
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:37,200
r o b

3774
02:46:42,070 --> 02:46:38,720
e r t

3775
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:42,080
s c h o c h dot com

3776
02:46:53,910 --> 02:46:45,760
and then you will see a link to it

3777
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:56,790
oh man i love live radio

3778
02:47:01,750 --> 02:46:58,479
i love live radio

3779
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:01,760
i'm i am there right now and there it is

3780
02:47:06,469 --> 02:47:05,359
our children's series and you can see

3781
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:06,479
you

3782
02:47:13,750 --> 02:47:10,800
see the cover to the book yeah this is

3783
02:47:15,830 --> 02:47:13,760
what i saw on google it's in german yes

3784
02:47:17,269 --> 02:47:15,840
yes it's in german it's been published

3785
02:47:20,070 --> 02:47:17,279
in germany

3786
02:47:22,389 --> 02:47:20,080
and german translation we have other

3787
02:47:25,030 --> 02:47:22,399
publishers around the world looking at

3788
02:47:26,790 --> 02:47:25,040
it um you know it's a it's a publishing

3789
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:26,800
business it's difficult

3790
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:29,520
um but uh the german publisher took it

3791
02:47:35,030 --> 02:47:30,880
right away

3792
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:35,040
uh but it you know it's part of um

3793
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:38,240
getting the new message out and

3794
02:47:43,830 --> 02:47:40,319
this is great

3795
02:47:46,389 --> 02:47:43,840
english uh publisher so

3796
02:47:50,070 --> 02:47:46,399
uh i love the illustrations this is

3797
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,080
another way to um really uh i would say

3798
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:52,160
influence the next generation and this

3799
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:54,960
is interesting because

3800
02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:57,439
there are different types of

3801
02:48:02,389 --> 02:48:00,000
different ways to approach things and

3802
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:02,399
the way i would describe this is this

3803
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:04,880
will be a series of books once we really

3804
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:07,279
get launched for

3805
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:10,319
not just children but for adults and

3806
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:13,439
children so adults can have resources to

3807
02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:14,880
share with their

3808
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:17,680
younger children to introduce them to

3809
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:21,120
these new things and uh this

3810
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:23,279
to use my own story

3811
02:48:29,910 --> 02:48:26,720
if you don't mind i am was maybe

3812
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:29,920
susceptible should we say to

3813
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:32,880
thinking a bit outside the box because

3814
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:34,640
when i was very young i had a

3815
02:48:40,870 --> 02:48:38,399
grandmother who's now long deceased

3816
02:48:42,510 --> 02:48:40,880
and she

3817
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:42,520
she talked to me about ancient

3818
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,880
civilizations and we would read and

3819
02:48:49,429 --> 02:48:46,880
discuss things and she was much more

3820
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:49,439
open-minded should we say than most

3821
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:51,840
academics are nowadays

3822
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:54,000
considering the possibilities that maybe

3823
02:48:59,110 --> 02:48:57,200
civilization went back to earlier period

3824
02:49:00,630 --> 02:48:59,120
so it's something i was introduced to

3825
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:00,640
the concept

3826
02:49:07,190 --> 02:49:03,600
at a young age and i do think that was

3827
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,200
uh beneficial for me to be

3828
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:09,680
open-minded enough to look at real

3829
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:12,240
evidence rather than simply shutting

3830
02:49:15,750 --> 02:49:13,200
down

3831
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:15,760
these illustrations are really really

3832
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:17,680
good lisa perkins yeah aren't they

3833
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:19,760
beautiful those were done by lisa

3834
02:49:23,750 --> 02:49:20,960
perkins

3835
02:49:26,870 --> 02:49:23,760
who is a friend of ours who is uh as you

3836
02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:26,880
can see a very good artist and teaches

3837
02:49:29,990 --> 02:49:28,000
art

3838
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:30,000
uh in california

3839
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:33,120
so yeah i think we have a incredible

3840
02:49:36,469 --> 02:49:34,000
book

3841
02:49:39,429 --> 02:49:36,479
and we just have to find the

3842
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:39,439
correct publisher for it in english as

3843
02:49:45,590 --> 02:49:41,920
well as we'd like to get it um in other

3844
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:45,600
languages as well uh and as i said we've

3845
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:46,560
got

3846
02:49:50,870 --> 02:49:48,800
people reading it

3847
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:50,880
in various you know various publishing

3848
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:52,800
houses around the world

3849
02:49:56,309 --> 02:49:54,479
um to see where

3850
02:49:58,790 --> 02:49:56,319
we can get placed yeah this is really

3851
02:50:04,309 --> 02:49:58,800
cool the little girl standing uh in

3852
02:50:09,910 --> 02:50:06,830
yes yes that is just awesome the great

3853
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:09,920
sphinx the pyramids yeah this is this is

3854
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:13,760
really good any of your listeners um uh

3855
02:50:19,269 --> 02:50:16,640
read german speak read german um it's

3856
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:19,279
out in german already we'd love for

3857
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:22,800
people to start uh circulating it

3858
02:50:26,309 --> 02:50:24,880
and as i said we're we're looking into

3859
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:26,319
publishers for

3860
02:50:30,550 --> 02:50:28,560
english and other languages

3861
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:30,560
but again i think it ties in with what

3862
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:32,399
we were talking about how do we get this

3863
02:50:38,150 --> 02:50:35,600
information out how do we change

3864
02:50:41,030 --> 02:50:38,160
the way people think about it and i put

3865
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:41,040
a lot of faith in the younger generation

3866
02:50:46,630 --> 02:50:43,840
yeah i do too this is uh this is a great

3867
02:50:48,870 --> 02:50:46,640
idea and the illustrations are just

3868
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:48,880
i mean really really cool it

3869
02:50:54,150 --> 02:50:51,840
that's not it's not just for kids i mean

3870
02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:54,160
this is really cool it really isn't the

3871
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:56,080
way i view it and i don't want to speak

3872
02:51:02,469 --> 02:50:58,240
for katie here but the way i view it

3873
02:51:04,389 --> 02:51:02,479
it's really a book for adults to share

3874
02:51:07,510 --> 02:51:04,399
with children more or less

3875
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:07,520
children and adults sitting reading it

3876
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:11,040
together discussing it discussing these

3877
02:51:17,030 --> 02:51:14,160
really neat topics because we have found

3878
02:51:21,110 --> 02:51:17,040
that children and when i've

3879
02:51:24,150 --> 02:51:21,120
taken um groups to egypt and to ireland

3880
02:51:27,030 --> 02:51:24,160
and to other places to turkey in some

3881
02:51:28,950 --> 02:51:27,040
cases children literally children have

3882
02:51:32,150 --> 02:51:28,960
come with their parents

3883
02:51:35,670 --> 02:51:32,160
um and i will tell you that you know a

3884
02:51:38,550 --> 02:51:35,680
12 year old or whatever or 10 year old

3885
02:51:41,910 --> 02:51:38,560
they really get into this and they are

3886
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:41,920
really fascinated um and ask really

3887
02:51:46,710 --> 02:51:44,720
great really great questions they have

3888
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:46,720
great questions they're thinking about

3889
02:51:49,750 --> 02:51:47,920
it so

3890
02:51:50,950 --> 02:51:49,760
i love that when you have the young

3891
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:50,960
children

3892
02:51:56,870 --> 02:51:53,680
really sparked intellectually

3893
02:52:00,870 --> 02:51:58,150
what they're seeing

3894
02:52:01,990 --> 02:52:00,880
and they'd love it well i i i can only

3895
02:52:03,990 --> 02:52:02,000
relate to

3896
02:52:06,230 --> 02:52:04,000
i think we all went through this at a

3897
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:06,240
young age i mean the first time that i

3898
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:07,359
saw

3899
02:52:12,870 --> 02:52:10,800
uh you know king tut's gold sarcophagu

3900
02:52:15,750 --> 02:52:12,880
and you look at that and there's

3901
02:52:17,830 --> 02:52:15,760
something in our dna

3902
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:17,840
there's something that connects us with

3903
02:52:23,190 --> 02:52:20,399
that immediately where we identify first

3904
02:52:25,590 --> 02:52:23,200
off it's amazing artwork right it's

3905
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:25,600
there's an artisan that created probably

3906
02:52:30,550 --> 02:52:28,720
the most perfect gold sculpture in the

3907
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:30,560
history of everything but there's

3908
02:52:34,790 --> 02:52:32,319
something that you connect with and i've

3909
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,800
always connected with egypt

3910
02:52:39,429 --> 02:52:37,359
and i'd i don't know what it is i can't

3911
02:52:42,309 --> 02:52:39,439
wait to get there in march but i think

3912
02:52:44,150 --> 02:52:42,319
all of us feel this connection and and i

3913
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:44,160
think it's there i think it's it's part

3914
02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:45,840
of our dna

3915
02:52:49,349 --> 02:52:47,520
yeah it's like a primordial connection

3916
02:52:51,349 --> 02:52:49,359
it's funny you say that because i can

3917
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:51,359
remember one of the things i could

3918
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:53,680
remember i think i was about four years

3919
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:57,279
old i grew up i was born in dc and grew

3920
02:53:02,710 --> 02:53:00,319
up in washington dc area

3921
02:53:05,750 --> 02:53:02,720
and i remember that

3922
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:05,760
a traveling exhibition

3923
02:53:11,269 --> 02:53:07,760
of material from

3924
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:11,279
tutankhamun king tuts tomb

3925
02:53:16,230 --> 02:53:13,680
came through it went i must have been at

3926
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:16,240
the national gallery of art i suspect i

3927
02:53:20,870 --> 02:53:17,920
just don't remember off the top my head

3928
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:20,880
now um but i remember i think i was

3929
02:53:24,550 --> 02:53:22,880
maybe around four years old so that's

3930
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:24,560
pretty young

3931
02:53:31,190 --> 02:53:27,600
and i remember being fascinated by

3932
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:31,200
seeing this exhibition of um tutankhamun

3933
02:53:35,269 --> 02:53:33,040
that had come now they did not include

3934
02:53:38,150 --> 02:53:35,279
the gold mask because you know that was

3935
02:53:39,990 --> 02:53:38,160
probably too valuable etc but i remember

3936
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:40,000
very specifically for instance this

3937
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:43,200
beautiful embroidered glove

3938
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:45,840
from tutankhamen and you know other

3939
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:48,000
things it's it's like you say it's

3940
02:53:53,030 --> 02:53:50,640
primordial maybe yeah and it was also

3941
02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:53,040
boris karloff he had a lot to do with it

3942
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:54,880
too as well

3943
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:57,760
lawrence karloff um thank you so much

3944
02:54:02,950 --> 02:54:00,800
for uh staying up and staying late and

3945
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:02,960
and say goodnight to katie for me too as

3946
02:54:04,830 --> 02:54:03,920
well

3947
02:54:08,550 --> 02:54:04,840
and

3948
02:54:10,870 --> 02:54:08,560
before uh i i do say good night what is

3949
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:10,880
next though what is it that you're

3950
02:54:13,590 --> 02:54:12,800
working on

3951
02:54:15,269 --> 02:54:13,600
well

3952
02:54:17,830 --> 02:54:15,279
right now we want to get out of this

3953
02:54:20,150 --> 02:54:17,840
pandemic of course and i mentioned that

3954
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:20,160
when you say what is next uh we're

3955
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:22,800
working on the children series katie's

3956
02:54:27,510 --> 02:54:25,200
working on that i am working on another

3957
02:54:29,269 --> 02:54:27,520
book a follow-up book but i'm not going

3958
02:54:31,830 --> 02:54:29,279
to give you more information about that

3959
02:54:34,469 --> 02:54:31,840
right now because i'm working on and i

3960
02:54:36,150 --> 02:54:34,479
tend to like to keep quiet till it's a

3961
02:54:38,630 --> 02:54:36,160
certain stage

3962
02:54:40,469 --> 02:54:38,640
something else that we're working on and

3963
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:40,479
i think we've talked about this before

3964
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:43,120
but really got put on hold

3965
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:43,920
is

3966
02:54:49,750 --> 02:54:46,080
that

3967
02:54:52,389 --> 02:54:49,760
we have a project going with oracle the

3968
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:52,399
organization for the research of ancient

3969
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:55,120
cultures which is a not-for-profit and

3970
02:55:01,469 --> 02:54:58,720
we are working on a documentary

3971
02:55:03,349 --> 02:55:01,479
you know professional

3972
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:03,359
documentary

3973
02:55:09,590 --> 02:55:06,960
called civilization before civilization

3974
02:55:12,389 --> 02:55:09,600
and we were working on filming that

3975
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:12,399
before the pandemic broke out in fact we

3976
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:15,359
had just gotten back from turkey doing

3977
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:18,479
some filming we were in new york city

3978
02:55:24,950 --> 02:55:23,279
this is uh january late january 2020 and

3979
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:24,960
of course it was just

3980
02:55:31,269 --> 02:55:29,040
after that that the pandemic really

3981
02:55:34,710 --> 02:55:31,279
started breaking and we've just had to

3982
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:34,720
put everything on hold uh since then

3983
02:55:38,550 --> 02:55:36,640
but it is interesting i want to mention

3984
02:55:41,349 --> 02:55:38,560
you you know the uh mystery of the

3985
02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:41,359
sphinx the mystery of the sphinx the nbc

3986
02:55:45,670 --> 02:55:42,880
documentary

3987
02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:45,680
uh which uh john anthony west and i were

3988
02:55:53,670 --> 02:55:49,840
in that was directed by bill cody

3989
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:53,680
um who has remained a close friend ever

3990
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:54,640
since

3991
02:56:01,429 --> 02:55:58,080
and he is um involved with this project

3992
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:01,439
so we reassembled some of the team from

3993
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:04,000
mystery of the sphinx to do civilization

3994
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:06,479
before civilization so we're very

3995
02:56:09,190 --> 02:56:08,319
excited about that

3996
02:56:11,030 --> 02:56:09,200
but

3997
02:56:14,070 --> 02:56:11,040
things have been on hold because of the

3998
02:56:15,590 --> 02:56:14,080
pandemic and also to be really blunt um

3999
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:15,600
you know money's been difficult

4000
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:18,160
especially with the pandemic and people

4001
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:18,960
have

4002
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:19,760
been

4003
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:22,080
having a hard time and i understand that

4004
02:56:27,910 --> 02:56:24,560
and we're dependent on donations as a

4005
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:27,920
not-for-profit for this documentary

4006
02:56:35,510 --> 02:56:33,349
where we're pushing forward with it uh

4007
02:56:38,070 --> 02:56:35,520
uh once we uh

4008
02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:38,080
can get going again post pandemic or

4009
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:40,479
when things get more settled we will

4010
02:56:44,950 --> 02:56:42,399
we're absolutely committed to it we'll

4011
02:56:48,309 --> 02:56:44,960
be posting more updates about that

4012
02:56:50,950 --> 02:56:48,319
yeah over at robertssock.com

4013
02:56:52,389 --> 02:56:50,960
there is an oracle section there you can

4014
02:56:53,510 --> 02:56:52,399
click on that and you can also go

4015
02:56:56,630 --> 02:56:53,520
straight to

4016
02:56:58,110 --> 02:56:56,640
uh the oracle uh website too as well

4017
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:58,120
which is

4018
02:57:02,230 --> 02:56:59,680
oracleonline.org

4019
02:57:03,590 --> 02:57:02,240
and the projects page is there too as

4020
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:03,600
well so

4021
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:05,439
thank you so much robert and we have a

4022
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:07,680
little trailer for it if you want to get

4023
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:09,920
a little sense of it yeah yeah the

4024
02:57:15,030 --> 02:57:12,160
trailers here and i was it's

4025
02:57:17,269 --> 02:57:15,040
civilization before civilization

4026
02:57:19,429 --> 02:57:17,279
and uh there's urfam right there in the

4027
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:19,439
trailer and everybody go and check it

4028
02:57:22,469 --> 02:57:20,160
out

4029
02:57:25,110 --> 02:57:22,479
thank you so much robert and uh we've

4030
02:57:26,870 --> 02:57:25,120
got to get together as soon as possible

4031
02:57:29,510 --> 02:57:26,880
thank you so much oh absolutely

4032
02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:29,520
absolutely um it's been a pleasure it's

4033
02:57:33,750 --> 02:57:31,520
always wonderful speaking with you

4034
02:57:35,590 --> 02:57:33,760
you're the best robert and say goodnight

4035
02:57:38,790 --> 02:57:35,600
to katie for me

4036
02:57:41,830 --> 02:57:38,800
i will thank you robert shock everybody

4037
02:57:42,870 --> 02:57:41,840
it's very simple it's robert shock.com

4038
02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:42,880
and the links are over at

4039
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,800
jimmychurchradio.com

4040
02:57:48,710 --> 02:57:46,160
and go ahead and click through the

4041
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:48,720
children's book is there too as well but

4042
02:57:52,550 --> 02:57:50,399
so is oracle

4043
02:57:55,269 --> 02:57:52,560
and the current project which is the

4044
02:57:58,230 --> 02:57:55,279
documentary civilization before

4045
02:58:01,429 --> 02:57:58,240
civilization and so with that i want to

4046
02:58:03,030 --> 02:58:01,439
remind everybody uh what is going on

4047
02:58:06,389 --> 02:58:03,040
tomorrow night

4048
02:58:08,950 --> 02:58:06,399
if you have bought tickets for

4049
02:58:11,590 --> 02:58:08,960
making contact then that means you've

4050
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probably gone and got your avatar built

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up and you're ready to go

4052
02:58:18,670 --> 02:58:15,600
if you haven't done that yet i want

4053
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:18,680
everybody to go over to

4054
02:58:24,230 --> 02:58:21,200
makingcontact.com the promo code is

4055
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jimmy save 100 that'll get you a hundred

4056
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i want you to do that now

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02:58:39,110 --> 02:58:36,080
so you can get your

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4062
02:58:44,469 --> 02:58:42,240
we're going to broadcast from the island

4063
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:44,479
fade to black fader night and you'll be

4064
02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:46,720
able to just come and hang out with me

4065
02:58:51,190 --> 02:58:48,399
in the auditorium it's the paul hell

4066
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:51,200
your auditorium there on the making

4067
02:58:55,590 --> 02:58:54,000
contact campus it's all right there okay

4068
02:58:58,630 --> 02:58:55,600
so i've got the links up i want

4069
02:59:00,150 --> 02:58:58,640
everybody to go do it makingcontact.com

4070
02:59:01,670 --> 02:59:00,160
because we're gonna broadcast fade to

4071
02:59:03,429 --> 02:59:01,680
black uh tomorrow night from the

4072
02:59:05,349 --> 02:59:03,439
auditorium and it's really cool i want

4073
02:59:08,309 --> 02:59:05,359
everybody to go and see

4074
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:08,319
what is going on this is an amazing

4075
02:59:12,550 --> 02:59:10,960
project with that i am going to get out

4076
02:59:14,630 --> 02:59:12,560
of here i want to thank robert shock

4077
02:59:17,269 --> 02:59:14,640
what another great night and

4078
02:59:19,990 --> 02:59:17,279
conversation with him it's all simple to

4079
02:59:21,389 --> 02:59:20,000
do it's robert shock.com the links are

4080
02:59:23,030 --> 02:59:21,399
over at

4081
02:59:25,110 --> 02:59:23,040
jimmychurchradio.com

4082
02:59:27,429 --> 02:59:25,120
you've got to get yourself your copy of

4083
02:59:29,269 --> 02:59:27,439
forgotten civilization the new revised

4084
02:59:31,269 --> 02:59:29,279
and expanded edition

4085
02:59:32,550 --> 02:59:31,279
new new images

4086
02:59:36,070 --> 02:59:32,560
and of course

4087
02:59:37,830 --> 02:59:36,080
katie is a part of this too as well

4088
02:59:39,670 --> 02:59:37,840
all right

4089
02:59:40,710 --> 02:59:39,680
what a great night i'll see everybody

4090
02:59:42,550 --> 02:59:40,720
tomorrow

4091
02:59:44,469 --> 02:59:42,560
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